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On Jul 21, 2020, landmark wrote:
And there is *no one* in politics who is up to meeting it.


I think it's time people looked elsewhere, indeed.

Marshall Rosenberg spoke of a human "evolutionary snag".

I think it's been pointed out very clearly now.
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I do not agree. The law or new laws is what you need.

Social engineering techniques vary but, it seems to me, the best way is to gradually bring in new laws. You bring the laws is one at a time, to give the police and public a chance to get used to them, until you get the new norms and values that you want. Excessive force and the like is essentially an abuse of power.

What changed the norms and values of the British police for the better was the Police and Criminal Evidence Act, which was not a set of new laws but rather a set of guidelines, a code of conduct, used by the courts to judge if the police had behaved properly or not.
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Let's see. Nationwide protests against police brutality, and the police response has been marked by even more instances of unprovoked police violence against protestors, bystanders and journalists even as they know they are being videoed. If that's an improvement, I hate to think about what the base line was here.


"unprovoked police violence against protestors" LOL! Right, because these protests are always so peaceful. Not once has a protestor attacked the police for no reason. Keep living in your bubble.
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Whether protestors are peaceful or not is irrelevant. I am not talking about actions against someone who is doing something violent. I am talking about UNPROVOKED violence by police. There has been plenty of it, and everyone knows it and has seen it.

As for bubble, unless you're in LE, I suspect I've been to more demonstrations than you have.
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If protesters violence is not relevant neither is that of cops.
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"Other protesters were violent, so THESE protesters will PROBABLY be violent. So I should bust their heads NOW instead of later!"
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Chauvin has been charged with second-degree murder.

The three other officers involved in Floyd's death -- Kueng, Lane and Tou Thao -- were also arrested and charged with aiding and abetting second-degree murder and aiding and abetting second-degree manslaughter.

So given that these officers have been brought to justice, what is the point of protesting this case?

Why don't the people instead protest cases where police have not been charged where rightly they ought to have been?
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"Other protesters were violent, so THESE protesters will PROBABLY be violent. So I should bust their heads NOW instead of later!"


These cops are bad so defund all cops. Funny how you seem to miss this point isn't it?

Anyone can play that silly game Ed.

Now how about we actually discuss it instead of using talking points? Because nobody said what you said in this quote.
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Why don't the people instead protest cases where police have not been charged where rightly they ought to have been?


It's way past the point where people are protesting just one particular case or another. People are protesting the whole judicial system from top to bottom. For better or for worse, the co-ordinated ongoing injustices on display during these protests have moved many people past the "one bad apple" point of view to "the system is thoroughly corrupt" point of view.

The kinds of questions that are being asked now are not so much about individual police officers but more like, what is the purpose of the police, what are the origins of policing, who controls the police, who exactly do the police serve?
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Nonsense.

Sorry you stepped way too far. You may be asking those questions but that is because they fit your agenda. Not because they are a reality.
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And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.


https://garygindler.com/2020/07/22/black-camo-eng/
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And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.


https://garygindler.com/2020/07/22/black-camo-eng/


Wow that was like stumbling upon some MS-DOS computer program where some guy threw together some random words and told the computer to make something that looks like a blog post, only it's like version .02a. It's like instead of discovering Artificial Intelligence this guy discovered Artificial Stupidity.
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Why don't we stop using nonsense talking points and falling for landmarks game?

So Jack, just HOW MANY unarmed people of color do you believe are killed each year by cops? Let's start there. The word "genocide" is thrown about pretty often so lets see just how many makes a genocide.
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On Aug 4, 2020, ed rhodes wrote:
"Other protesters were violent, so THESE protesters will PROBABLY be violent. So I should bust their heads NOW instead of later!"


These cops are bad so defund all cops. Funny how you seem to miss this point isn't it?

Anyone can play that silly game Ed.

Now how about we actually discuss it instead of using talking points? Because nobody said what you said in this quote.



I defy you to find a post where I suggested "defunding the cops" was a good idea.
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On Aug 5, 2020, tommy wrote:
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.


https://garygindler.com/2020/07/22/black-camo-eng/


Wow that was like stumbling upon some MS-DOS computer program where some guy threw together some random words and told the computer to make something that looks like a blog post, only it's like version .02a. It's like instead of discovering Artificial Intelligence this guy discovered Artificial Stupidity.


I used to have a book of computer programs. One of which allowed you to make DATA statements and string them together into what looked like a coherent speech... if you didn't look to closely. This reminded me of that.
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"Catch your dreams before they slip away."
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ELIZA and OpenAI GPT-2 but rather than Rogerian therapy, weight the text for Inflammatory phrases.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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On Aug 5, 2020, Dannydoyle wrote:
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On Aug 4, 2020, ed rhodes wrote:
"Other protesters were violent, so THESE protesters will PROBABLY be violent. So I should bust their heads NOW instead of later!"


These cops are bad so defund all cops. Funny how you seem to miss this point isn't it?

Anyone can play that silly game Ed.

Now how about we actually discuss it instead of using talking points? Because nobody said what you said in this quote.



I defy you to find a post where I suggested "defunding the cops" was a good idea.

How about first you show where anyone suggested what YOU said in your quote?

Nice game huh?
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On Aug 5, 2020, Dannydoyle wrote:
Why don't we stop using nonsense talking points and falling for landmarks game?

So Jack, just HOW MANY unarmed people of color do you believe are killed each year by cops? Let's start there. The word "genocide" is thrown about pretty often so lets see just how many makes a genocide.


Danny, the question is how many people of color have been brutalized, unjustly arrested, bloodied, harassed, lied about in court, left to rot in jails and prisons, made to confess, had false evidence planted on them, been the subject of racist remarks, pepper sprayed, tear gassed, executed, denied promotion, denied proper legal counsel, subject to the whims of racist judges enforcing racist laws...let's start there. Then you'll understand why Chauvin was just the last straw.

People aren't buying the "bad apples" excuse anymore. It's over.
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ELIZA and OpenAI GPT-2 but rather than Rogerian therapy, weight the text for Inflammatory phrases.


That was kind of my thought. It was the crudeness of the effort that amused me. Propaganda (excuse me, opinion formation) has gotten so much slicker and sophisticated than that. It was like watching one of those 1950s cigarette commercials where 9 out of 10 doctors recommend Camels.
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