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Takeshi Taniguchi has just released his CYCLE SHUFFLE in English.

As well as a false shuffle, it is also a force, a control, a peek and more.

It has gained a lot of buzz already in Japan, and now the English-speaking world gets to see all the details of this beautiful technique. It's harder than it first appears, but once you learn a few key points (all of which Takeshi goes through in the download) then you should be able to incorporate it into your card work fairly quickly.

The 20-minute download includes many applications, one lovely routine, and even a special section on using it with a memorized deck, which is worth the price of the download alone.

It is just $6.95 and can be found here:

https://theimpossibleco.com/product/cycle-shuffle/
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It looks incredible... for that price, I'm in.
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On Jun 1, 2020, 19grijos wrote:
It looks incredible... for that price, I'm in.


Yep, I agree it's a very good price, especially considering all the extras included.
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Picked this up, and I have to say that this is likely to be my new favorite false shuffle. I do not have it down yet and it will take a bit of practice, but I can see that once you get it down it'll be fantastic, and it has so many super useful features built into it (especially if you do stack work). Between this and Ben's drop shuffle, I'm rethinking all my false shuffle work (and both of those false shuffles are very, very reasonably priced). I think there are a bunch of effects that I do that can be improved by use of the cycle shuffle and my head is now spinning with ideas.
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It doesn't look like a normal overhand shuffle.
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I have to agree with Joe.
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So I guess the question is how many laymen are well-versed enough in an overhand shuffle to suspect anything fishy is going on?

I don't own this but I am sure it is best performed as with most false shuffles that you don't have the specs staring directly at the cards. You speak to them, apply a little misdirection and they just see cards, moving around in their peripheral vision.
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So I guess the question is how many laymen are well-versed enough in an overhand shuffle to suspect anything fishy is going on?


I think the better question is given that this doesn't look like a normal overhand shuffle, what DOES it offer that makes it something that's worth learning.

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I don't own this but I am sure it is best performed as with most false shuffles that you don't have the specs staring directly at the cards. You speak to them, apply a little misdirection and they just see cards, moving around in their peripheral vision.


If that's the case, there are techniques you can master in 20 seconds that look and sound like an overhand shuffle in someone's peripheral vision. I'm not sure why one would use this particular false shuffle if that was their goal.
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So I guess the question is how many laymen are well-versed enough in an overhand shuffle to suspect anything fishy is going on?

I don't own this but I am sure it is best performed as with most false shuffles that you don't have the specs staring directly at the cards. You speak to them, apply a little misdirection and they just see cards, moving around in their peripheral vision.


Yes. This is how I would do it. Very casually. If people aren't looking directly at your hands, they'll just think it's a casual mixing of the cards.

In the tutorial he suggests emphasizing the "flashy" nature of it and doing it with some flourishes/cardistry type stuff, but that's very much not my style, and yet I still think this is very useful. While it does look somewhat different than a straight overhand shuffle, so many people shuffle in different ways that I think most people won't notice *especially* if you're just doing it casually while talking, or mixing it with other false shuffles (again, Ben's Drop Shuffle is another great false shuffle).
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On Jun 2, 2020, Joe Roberts wrote:

I think the better question is given that this doesn't look like a normal overhand shuffle, what DOES it offer that makes it something that's worth learning.


As noted in the copy, this gives you the potential to add in a variety of other things, including card controls, peeks, and forces (including forcing multiple cards). Most other false shuffles don't automatically do that. There's a lot here that can be done in useful ways. Yes, there are other ways to do all of those things, but this becomes a single swiss-army knife like tool to accomplish a lot.
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Ordered this but received no download.I emailed but got no responce.Ihave allowed for the time difference but it is now afternoon in Japan.
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Ordered this but received no download.I emailed but got no responce.Ihave allowed for the time difference but it is now afternoon in Japan.


Did you create an account on the website? For me, after I ordered, it's just there in the "my library" section. I found it by clicking on the little "person" up top (right) next to my login. It takes you to an account page, and there's a "My Library" option, and the download is there.
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I just ordered and the download link appeared straightaway.

While not 'into' fancy card moves, performed casually I like the possibilities this shuffle offers, whether using a stacked deck, forcing or controlling. Besides, it will give me something to practice and master during these strange times.

Neil
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I found the video in the library section.Thanks
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If people aren't looking directly at your hands, they'll just think it's a casual mixing of the cards.


A short glimps should be enough for laymen to agree with the advertisining "leaving your spectators [not only] convinced of your card skills".

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[...]mixing it with other false shuffles (again, Ben's Drop Shuffle is another great false shuffle).

Advantage of Ben's Drop Shuffle is that it really looks messy and not trained/skilled but this cycle shuffle really looks skilled.
I think it depends on the setting/character. If you pretend to be not good with cards, it's a little bit too flashy in my opinion, but if you demonstrate your card skills with other moves anyhow, this looks to be a good spend of $6.95
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Advantage of Ben's Drop Shuffle is that it really looks messy and not trained/skilled but this cycle shuffle really looks skilled.
I think it depends on the setting/character. If you pretend to be not good with cards, it's a little bit too flashy in my opinion, but if you demonstrate your card skills with other moves anyhow, this looks to be a good spend of $6.95


I mostly agree, though I purposely don't demonstrate my card skills when I perform, and I still like this. Honestly, as I'm still practicing it and don't yet have it down, but am getting closer, I will say that I *think* it's possible to do this shuffle in a manner that still looks "messy." The teaching here is very much for a smooth, flourishy approach. But it doesn't need to be.
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I agree that you have to watch this through your own performing filter, but that is true of every move to some extent. As you may have seen from my Drop Shuffle, my style is a more casual, messy approach, yet the Cycle Shuffle has found its way into my repertoire. I perform it a bit more roughly than Takeshi (only partly through choice!) yet it is still a very deceptive illusion of the cards being mixed.

Also, regarding the comment about it not looking like an overhand shuffle, that was never Takeshi's intention. It's true than laypeople will never have seen this shuffle before, but that can also be said of many other types of shuffle and cut which we magicians regularly use. To me the more important questions are:

1) Does it look like the cards are really being mixed; and

2) Would it look natural in my hands?

As to 1) I think it's a definitive yes, particularly when done casually. The answer to no.2 is something that you'll have to decide for yourself of course.
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What a refreshing thread this is.

An honest, reasoned assessment that allows all to properly consider what is on offer.

It is a shame that other threads are not always like this.

As for my own views, I am definitely not one for complicated card moves or anything that looks flashy. What I was wanting was a mix/shuffle that looks as if cards are genuinely being mixed and yet remain in sequence as well as allowing for a force and control.

The Cycle shuffle does this, which is why I bought.

The shuffle will require practice and does not need to look flashy. In fact in my hands (and I am still learning) it looks a right mess - which is ideal. I will need to practice a lot more before I am confident to actually use but given my rather clumsy handling, I think the mixing process does look thorough and deceptive.

Overall an interesting, well compiled and explained release. Very reasonably priced but it will require work and practice.

Neil
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On Jun 2, 2020, Joe Roberts wrote:
It doesn't look like a normal overhand shuffle.


Correct.

Looks weird as heck.

Total opposite of what a false shuffle should look like.
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On Jun 2, 2020, Joe Roberts wrote:
It doesn't look like a normal overhand shuffle.


Correct.

Looks weird as heck.

Total opposite of what a false shuffle should look like.


People keep saying this and I disagree. Yes, if you're staring right at it, it looks *different* but as has been said multiple times, it wasn't designed to look like a typical overhand shuffle. It just needs to look like it's mixing the cards, and it absolutely does. Unless you stare at it and go slowly and let them stare at it too, it very much looks like the cards are being mixed. Plus, the additional benefits for peeking, controlling, and forcing make this super powerful.

Anyway, my one fear in getting this and learning it was that if too many people learned it, it would lose some of its usefulness, but seeing how so many people seem upset by it looking difference, I guess I don't much need to fear that. Smile
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