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Mask logic? Good idea? Possibly. Have you been out and about? How many people don't have their noses
covered or mouth for that matter. How many people just keep the mask in the car not changing or cleaning? How many people touch their infected masks and touch other things that other people will touch? We live in a world with bacteria and virus EVERYWHERE. We have to get on with our lives and let Herd Immunity do what it does best. Oh..and the MANY Dr.'s, Immunologists, Virologists who disagree with the way things are being handled are being silinced. Why?

HEADLINE after the election with a certain outcome. " Vacine Found" All OK!!...Time to go back to life as usual..
If you can't help worrying, remember worrying can't help you!
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Ken -

Your idea of a stationary area/table is perfect. I pitch most of my private parties this way, even before the Covid issues. One other thought, I am going back to one of my restaurants soon. With the social distancing of the tables being 6 feet apart, I am going to have room to carry a small (instand) table. Thus not working on or too close to the guests tables. I like the idea of a stationary area too. It may be a bit awkward for guests in a restaurant to want to come over, but I may just try that!
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Ken & David, great ideas and responses to the current situation. I like that these options can also open up more performing options.
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On Jun 26, 2020, David French wrote:
Ken -

Your idea of a stationary area/table is perfect. I pitch most of my private parties this way, even before the Covid issues. One other thought, I am going back to one of my restaurants soon. With the social distancing of the tables being 6 feet apart, I am going to have room to carry a small (instand) table. Thus not working on or too close to the guests tables. I like the idea of a stationary area too. It may be a bit awkward for guests in a restaurant to want to come over, but I may just try that!


Recently I got a PC stand...nice sized top, very sturdy tripod. You can lay a close up mat on the top, or tape/glue it down. The legs are nicely spaced and and give you solid surface. Then easily fold up when it's time to go. It's hefty, not heavy. And reasonable in mid $30 range

https://www.parts-express.com/pyle-plpts......EALw_wcB
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
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On Jun 25, 2020, Vandecarr wrote:
"Imgic,
I'm not busking in Kansas City...
But good attempt at a weak ploy
The Kung Flu has a survival rate of 99.4%
It's only dangerous for .06% of people.
If you believe everything you hear on TV you are in serious trouble.
Furthermore, mandatory masks are idiotic!
After 7 months of the virus, making masks mandatory now, is like wearing a condom to the baby shower.
Wake up and smell the toast burning!!!
America has been played and it will continue... Until the day after the election!"
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I don't see where you are getting your figures, Vandecarr. This morning the Coronavirus tracker had US cases as 2,590,582 and deaths as 126,141.

According to my calculations ( 126,141 / 2,590,582 x 100 ) is 4.87% deaths. Those states that opened up early such as Florida, Texas and Arizona have admitted that they opened up too early and are now putting restrictions back in because of the sudden rise in cases. Best to ignore the politics and go on the best medical advice. It looks like masks, social distancing and testing are going to be with us for a while longer.
It is unfortunate because we may have to rely more on online magic shows for some time into the future.
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Yea problem with "best medical advice" is we have been admittedly LIED to.

The great people told us masks were not really needed in order to save them for the medical people. They did this for our own good. How can you ever believe a word coming out of their mouths again? And ain't that a problem with liars?

Sorry to break it to you but this is a political issue. Wound up in a web of lies and distortions of the truth to push each sides agendas plain and simple.

But as long as you want numbers from scientists and not online magicians how is the CDC? 0.26% is the rate that they are talking about. I guess you miss the mark with your oh so scary almost 5% number huh? Should we go with your numbers or those of the CDC?

https://in.dental-tribune.com/news/new-e......hos-3-4/
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shot......-thought

It is a POLITICAL issue and the sooner people see this the better off everyone will be. Is it still a pandemic? Yea I guess. Is it super scary hide in our houses pandemic? I am not sure. But if you are going to throw about numbers, please at least use accurate ones. It makes things easier.

It is STILL something to take seriously to be certain. I am just trying to add perspective is all. The difference in a 5% mortality rate and .26 is pretty significant if you ask me.
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I just did the math, Danny. It all depends on the numbers you are using. PS. If there are about 2,500,000 cases in the US then 1% of that is 25,000. We know far more than that have died so the death percent cannot be less than 1%. Yes, I agree, there is so much politics and distortion, you have to work to find the real situation.
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Yea did you read the CDC links and such I provided to show you what is wrong with the math you were doing?
Danny Doyle
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Hi Danny, Yes I did.
I think the report has confused the death rate and percentage (mathematically they are different).
I used percentage to be clear.
I am glad you find the 5% death percentage to be scary. It means that 95% of those who catch the disease will survive. If you are healthy and below 60 years old your chances of surviving are much higher. I heard a political pundit debate that it was worth it to open up the economy again.

Anyway the numbers will change slightly from day to day, but if you look at the total cases in the US and you know the total deaths in the US, you can calculate the percentage for yourself. (Why are you relying on reports, when you yourself claim there are so many distortions out there?)

Would any mathematicians care to comment?
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Yea 95% survival isn't bad huh? Again I guess the CDC knows less than you because it is their numbers.
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Yes, but 5% death is scary, as you said. As you emphatically said, don't just believe the reports - I agree.
Your reply sounds sarcastic, so I am not sure you accept your own arguments. You sent me the CDC reports "So I could see where I was wrong". You "guess that the CDC knows less than me."
I accept the CDC as a scientific organization, but the reporter seems to have mistakenly quoted the unit rate as the percentage rate.
Looking at the numbers, the CDC implies less than 1%, which looks wrong)?

To see through the "lies and distortions" that you talk about, why not just work out the percentage of deaths yourself. Get a calculator and a source of US cases vs US deaths and work it out yourself. What do YOU get?
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Because we don't have a proper T value for the equation. Which incidentally has been the problem from the start.

Without knowing exactly, or close to how many people are actually infected there is no real way to get a death rate of any reliability. It is based on models, much like weather and we know how accurate THAT can be.

If 2,000,000 are infected then 130,000 is a serious number.

BUT if 20,000,000 are infected and 130,000 are dead, maybe it is not as serious huh?

Antibody tests seem to suggest we are WAY off an amount of infected people, and therefore the rate of death.
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Agreed.
130,000 is a serious number out of the current cases. I am in Florida for a week, so I am keeping track daily.
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Yea the more learned the more that this is not so scary.

But I AM IN NO WAY telling anyone to not wear masks, not saying don't social distance and not saying to flaunt the guidelines. Just pointing out inconvenient truths is all.
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What we know right now is that more Americans have died of identified COVID-19 than died in Vietnam and Korea put together. More Americans have died of it in the last 5 months than died in all of World War 1.

We know that a lot of people have died. That's not in any way disputed, I hope.

Can we please stop with the argument about the rate? Since when is 130,000 dead acceptable? That's only counting the deaths. That's not counting the people who spend weeks suffering miserably, but recover. If wearing a mask would have cut the chances of those people catching it, why would you not? If you could cut transmission in half just by covering up your breathing, why would you not, unless you honestly don't care about other people?

If you could save one life by covering your mouth and nose with fabric, what kind of person would say "it is worth the loss of the people who die so I don't have to wear a mask?"

Yes, early reports have been contradicted. We know a lot more about it than we did 5 months ago. At the same time, why would we not follow the best science currently available? Or, if you are more swayed by anecdotal "evidence," look to Japan, where infection rates are low and mask wearing is the norm.

It is problematic that numbers are produced different ways. Is the 0.26% figure meant to be a quarter percent of all those exposed? Because the confirmed cases and deaths math is sound. But just being exposed does not guarantee that you will be diagnosed positive. However, you can't assume you will be negative, either.

The fact that this was so mismanaged in our country is a true disgrace. I'm not even pointing at one group over another. If only we still had a pandemic response protocol when we needed it. But we didn't. And instead of taking our cues from nations that now have very low numbers, we are counting on widespread exposure to work. When we don't even know what the long-term effects may be. Chicken pox is a virus that stays in the system and can turn into shingles many years later. Herpes stays in the body and will come out as cold sores during stressful times through the rest of your life. HIV is a virus that stays in the body and can only be controlled, not cured. We don't know what the coronavirus will be like in 10 years. It might be one of those that just goes away after you catch it and recover. It might be one that will be with you for life. We just don't know.

This pandemic was made more of a mess because it was made a political issue. There should not be a political disagreement over whether we need to protect people in this country from a fast-spreading virus (there's no debate on the spread) that is deadly to a very real number of people who catch it. And if we were misinformed about the masks initially, that's no reason to say "well, they lied to us at the start, so I'm not going to wear a mask now that they say it would help." I mean, you are admitting that the early claim that masks are not helpful in controlling the transmission were false, right? That means the masks would help control the spread. But because you were lied to initially, you are going to keep on doing what you now know is the more dangerous course? What kind of sense does that make?

All that said, trying to bring it back to magic, I think it is worth spending some time and effort to craft a performance you can do in a situation where you are asked to remain 6 feet from your audience, with no physical contact. You might think it is silly to minimize contact, but are you willing to pass up a paying gig because you didn't want to do a non-contact show? Personally, I'm trying to find a decent drawing duplication method that would work in the current situation. Anything that involves me handing over a piece of paper or a card would be out. Taking it back again (as most methods require) is likewise off the table. But limitations like this can stimulate creative thought more, sometimes, than unlimited situations. I hope I can find or work out something that I'll be happy with. Only time will tell.

Be safe everyone. And I mean that in two senses. I hope all stay healthy and I hope all choose to practice habits that keep others healthy.

-Patrick
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And just because I can't seem to leave it alone when I know I'm beating a dead horse, here's something useful: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

There is a huge difference between the case/death ratio (which does yield nearly 4.5% death rate) and the per capita death ratio. Are you calling it a fatality rate based on number of deaths per 100 people in the area or are you basing it on deaths per 100 confirmed cases? Very different numbers. Both valid, both meaningful. Confusing to laymen (like us here) because we may well be comparing two totally different sorts of things, here.

I don't think there is really any argument about how many people have died off Covid 19. I don't think there's really any argument over how may people have tested positive for Covid 19. The arguments often seem to have to do with assumed (with valid reasons, I'm not knocking it by using the term assumed) number of real infections that are not identified. But known deaths/known infections is a very simple calculation. And it isn't a pretty result.

I wish you all the best of health. I wear a mask in public. Please at least consider thoughtfully whether you would be helping or hurting the situation by doing the same. And be grown up enough to change your mind when new or better evidence (or suggestions) come your way. I have changed my practices several times over the last few months as more evidence was made available as to what was more or less effective. But I have always tried to act in the ways that were most likely to protect my community, based on the science available at the time. In other countries where this was done, infections per 100,000 have dropped far below ours. Fewer infections means fewer deaths. And I don't think anyone on any side of the (stupidly) political argument disputes that last statement.

-Patrick
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I remember when we could come in this section to avoid the political bs.
Danny Doyle
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A pandemic should transcend politics and I can say I have neither promoted nor denigrated any candidate or party or political ideology. In fact, my view is that I can’t see how or why the issue of protecting people has become political at all.

Since you do find this political, I’ll post no more. I hope all here stay safe. Unless you think safety violates your rights. In which case I hope you at least cause no harm, which is a pretty low bar for being a decent person, no matter your party.

Patrick
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Your view should transcend politics is what you are saying.
Danny Doyle
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My view is that the lives of my fellow human beings matter more than a little minor discomfort from wearing a mask. My view is that politics should serve the greater good of the nation and, extending beyond our borders, the greater good of the world. Which would be for the benefit of our own country in the long run, too.

-Patrick
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