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The value of the mask is NOT to protect the person wearing it from contracting COVID. For that you need a respirator like an N-95 mask.

The value of wearing a mask is protecting others...in preventing the spread of the disease.

Here's link to good article on masks from University of California, and it has links within to other studies. Though I realize in times like these people will decry it or rebut with links of their own.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906......-prevent
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On Jul 13, 2020, Count Hatrick wrote:
Thanks Dannydoyle - made me smile.

I still think the important question for us performers is what would make our audience feel OK. If you're in a space where face masks are expected, then you should wear one whether effective or not. It's not about us, it's about the Audience.


I just get so tired of these stupid debates. Everyone searches for things that prove beyond doubt they are right and then take a morally superior position and call everyone else dumb names like Anti Vaxers if they dare to disagree or even worse think for themselves.

Meanwhile NOT ONE person has ever actually changed their mind because of one of these stupid threads!

This section actually used to be relatively free from all that bs and I don't see any reason to bring that nonsense here. It is nothing but toxic nonsense.

Hi Danny, I agree that everyone tries to prove themselves right, including yourself. You also take a morally superior position, using the words "dumb names" and "stupid threads".
I agree that debates don't change people's minds. I have watched debates between "Anti-vaxxers" and "Science Guys" (stupid names as you say, but descriptive enough) and both sides have their indisputable facts and proofs which they will not give up.
As you say, people have to think for themselves.
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The value of the mask is NOT to protect the person wearing it from contracting COVID. For that you need a respirator like an N-95 mask.

The value of wearing a mask is protecting others...in preventing the spread of the disease.

Here's link to good article on masks from University of California, and it has links within to other studies. Though I realize in times like these people will decry it or rebut with links of their own.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906......-prevent



Thanks for the link, Imgic. I found it very informative.
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The Kung Flu has a survival rate of 99.4%

It's only dangerous for .06% of people.

If you believe everything you hear on TV you are in serious trouble.

Furthermore, mandatory masks are idiotic!



There is so much more medical damage that is caused by this virus than is reflected in the death rate:

https://boingboing.net/2020/07/13/how-ca......n=buffer
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Here is my question. It is serious.

What if we're living in a world where this oh so scary virus is here to stay, AND there is nothing we can do about it EXCEPT heard immunity?

Do you plan to hide in your cave until it is 100% safe for 100% of the population? What if heard immunity isn't going to happen? What do you propose to do about it? Live in fear?

Life is a risk for me. I accept those risks. I'm not willing to live in constant fear because the media tells me to.

I'm not saying masks work or don't. I'm sick of being lied to by every media outlet of every opinion. I'm tired of being lied to by government officials entrusted with safety.
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Here is my question. It is serious.

What if we're living in a world where this oh so scary virus is here to stay, AND there is nothing we can do about it EXCEPT heard immunity?

Do you plan to hide in your cave until it is 100% safe for 100% of the population? What if heard immunity isn't going to happen? What do you propose to do about it? Live in fear?

Life is a risk for me. I accept those risks. I'm not willing to live in constant fear because the media tells me to.

I'm not saying masks work or don't. I'm sick of being lied to by every media outlet of every opinion. I'm tired of being lied to by government officials entrusted with safety.


"Hide in your cave"? "Live in fear"? 100% safe? That attitude is not helpful. Like past plagues it will eventually pass, and we know the main ways to control the spread. We have to act intelligently as a society and bring the infection rates down to where they are manageable. I was in Florida last week and they realize they opened too quickly and are now in trouble. The infection rate is unacceptable to the most "gung ho" politician. They had no option but to tighten things up again. Let us be smart enough learn from their mistake and beat this virus.
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What attitude exactly? I am asking questions and if they make you uncomfortable I'm sorry but that is not my fault. Could you just explain to us how South Dakota NEVER locked down and yet are not experiencing spikes or whatever? 109 people died with no stay at home order.

Better yet don't. Again it is political. You are obviously of a point of view and discussion is impossible. You are scared and cool. No need to continue. Again this is not the place for this nonsense.

I DO love the way everyone is now an infectious disease expert! 4 Google links that prove your point of view is all it takes to be a expert in literally anything!!!
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"Hide in your cave" etc. show your attitude, Danny. It is common sense that we don't have to get back to 100% safe - you have taken an extreme view. You imply anyone who wants to take the generally accepted precautions "is scared". You are doing what you yourself denounced and attacking anyone with a different opinion.
As you know, no one is an expert on this virus. We look for the most professional advice. Bluster is not much use.
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I implied no such thing. You inferred it.
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Read your post again. You more than implied it, you said "You are scared and cool".
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Out of interest, since masks may in use for a while. Has anyone found a mask that it is very comfortable and easy to talk around?
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Out of interest, since masks may in use for a while. Has anyone found a mask that it is very comfortable and easy to talk around?

A good question that brings us back to the subject of this thread.

However, I think Danny asks a valid question also. I've read reports that say this will last for 2 years! I hate to bring up Trump (ensuring this thread will be deleted) but he asked months ago at what point is the cure worse than the disease? I think that was a valid question too. Are we really going to halt the economy, and life as we know it for 2 years? And don't say it won't last that long because no one thought it would last this long either back in March.
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Out of interest, since masks may in use for a while. Has anyone found a mask that it is very comfortable and easy to talk around?

A good question that brings us back to the subject of this thread.

However, I think Danny asks a valid question also. I've read reports that say this will last for 2 years! I hate to bring up Trump (ensuring this thread will be deleted) but he asked months ago at what point is the cure worse than the disease? I think that was a valid question too. Are we really going to halt the economy, and life as we know it for 2 years? And don't say it won't last that long because no one thought it would last this long either back in March.


Exactly.

Again take the "T" word out of the equation. That makes it too political and heats people up for no reason. The world can not wait 2 years. People can not hide from a virus that only affects a VERY small percentage badly. But while we are at it lets look at numbers shall we? What ELSE are folks dead from? You won't believe this but they DO die from other things!

From "Wordometer" which everyone uses to scare us about this virus.

6,982,773 Communicable disease deaths this year
262,313 Seasonal flu deaths this year
4,088,552 Deaths of children under 5 this year
22,878,606 Abortions this year
166,256 Deaths of mothers during birth this year
41,944,728 HIV/AIDS infected people
904,232 Deaths caused by HIV/AIDS this year
4,417,672 Deaths caused by cancer this year
527,610 Deaths caused by malaria this year
5,993,455,758 Cigarettes smoked today
2,688,944 Deaths caused by smoking this year
1,345,320 Deaths caused by alcohol this year
576,808 Suicides this year
$ 215,183,400,698 Money spent on illegal drugs this year
726,100 Road traffic accident fatalities this year

Pick one and just think about it for a second. Also consider that MILLIONS die from TB! (Check into who that usually is and get back to me why it seems less important. Here is a hint, America is not the leading country.)

Again I offer this only as thought, not a position. Look at the world around us for just a little bit. Use your brain, don't continue to allow yourself to be cowed into submission.
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Out of interest, since masks may in use for a while. Has anyone found a mask that it is very comfortable and easy to talk around?

A good question that brings us back to the subject of this thread.

However, I think Danny asks a valid question also. I've read reports that say this will last for 2 years! I hate to bring up Trump (ensuring this thread will be deleted) but he asked months ago at what point is the cure worse than the disease? I think that was a valid question too. Are we really going to halt the economy, and life as we know it for 2 years? And don't say it won't last that long because no one thought it would last this long either back in March.



Thank you Ken. This gets to the very heart of the matter. I have been following the situation in Florida since my visit there. When a politician admits he made a mistake (in opening up the state too early) then I believe him. That would have been a hard admission to make. We know the measures than slow the spread of this virus, and they seem to be increasingly implemented. Once we have falling rates of infection (like some states and countries) we can start getting partly back to normal in schools and businesses. Unfortunately, bars (known hot-spots of infection) may have to wait until a vaccine is found, but I hope that is much less than two years.
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Where exactly did he admit they opened too early?
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What attitude exactly? I am asking questions and if they make you uncomfortable I'm sorry but that is not my fault. Could you just explain to us how South Dakota NEVER locked down and yet are not experiencing spikes or whatever? 109 people died with no stay at home order.

Better yet don't. Again it is political. You are obviously of a point of view and discussion is impossible. You are scared and cool. No need to continue. Again this is not the place for this nonsense.

I DO love the way everyone is now an infectious disease expert! 4 Google links that prove your point of view is all it takes to be a expert in literally anything!!!



Looking at your above post, I will ask you to find your own sources of information, as anyone can do. I am more interested in when we can sensibly get back to working again and estimates of when we beat Covid-19 with a vaccine.
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Again you're taking a position that we can't go back to work.

I'm not necessarily in disagreement. I'm simply pointing out you chose to give up all critical thinking about it and let those who lie to us do it for you.
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Hi Danny,
In the context of bars and restaurants and rising infections it will be hard to get back to work. Not only because places that were newly reopened in certain states are now closing again. but social distancing, mask wearing and not handing things out make close up magic difficult. Small Birthday parties can be done by Zoom, but I don't think that would work in a restaurant or bar (except maybe online mindreading). My first hope is that daily cases of infection can be brought down so low that these places can reopen and stay open. It has happened in some places. My main hope is that a vaccine becomes available more quickly than expected)
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Again I ask where did he admit they opened too soon as you claim.

Is the number of new cases shocking to you in some way? How about numbers in hospital or dead? Do you think that more or less relevant?
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What attitude exactly? I am asking questions and if they make you uncomfortable I'm sorry but that is not my fault. Could you just explain to us how South Dakota NEVER locked down and yet are not experiencing spikes or whatever? 109 people died with no stay at home order.

Better yet don't. Again it is political. You are obviously of a point of view and discussion is impossible. You are scared and cool. No need to continue. Again this is not the place for this nonsense.

I DO love the way everyone is now an infectious disease expert! 4 Google links that prove your point of view is all it takes to be a expert in literally anything!!!



I already answered you by quoting your above post. I advised you to look up your own sources rather than denigrating mine. Read your own words, Danny, "This is not the place for this nonsense". Let us keep our eye on the goal - beating this virus so we can get back to as near normal as possible. (And temporary work-arounds)
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