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ltrblst Loyal user 226 Posts |
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On Jun 26, 2020, ddyment wrote: Thank you for posting this preview, looks VERY interesting! I have a question. With Q Stack is it possible to determine next and previous card? How easy would it be? |
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tom_stamm Loyal user Los Angeles 248 Posts |
Thanks Doug. Please let us know when you publish.
Just Some Guy.
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ddyment Inner circle Gibsons, BC, Canada 2499 Posts |
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With Q Stack is it possible to determine next and previous card? How easy would it be? The Q Stack is an algorithmic solution for memorized decks. With any memorized deck, you know the cards at every position, so it's trivial to determine a preceding or following card. If you wanted to do it without memorizing the stack (i.e., just working out the algorithm twice), it would take 4.5 computation steps to do so. A good sequential stack (such as the DAO Stack) would be better for such an application.
The Deceptionary :: Elegant, Literate, Contemporary Mentalism ... and More :: (order "Calculated Thoughts" from Vanishing Inc.)
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Chris K Inner circle 2544 Posts |
Thanks for the information!
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Count Hatrick New user 53 Posts |
Doug's work in this area is excellent - I have a couple of his books, bought for other effects, and have ended up using Quickstack for a diary effect - it's perfect for that.
I also use BCS often, as I enjoy the effort of working out the next card mentally - makes it look more like mind reading because you're actually doing mental work at the time. |
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ltrblst Loyal user 226 Posts |
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On Jun 26, 2020, ddyment wrote: Thanks fot the information, DAO looks like a very good solution for whom needs randomness and easy determination of both next and previous card. However I also need to locate every card at position and vice versa. I bought the Shadows Sequeira Stack by Hans-Christian Solka, which looks very good for my needs: - easy determination of next/previous card (a little bit more difficult than Si Stebbins) - relatively easy determination of card at position and vice versa (easier than Bart Harding System) The only drawback is that it's not as random as I would like. I don't want to disclose anything so I just say that its randomness is between Si Stebbins and QuickerStack. However some interesting concepts there, also this give me confidence that IT IS possible to have a full deck stack that is decently randomn and has the advantages of both sequential and algorithmic memorized decks (I'm using the terminology from the excellent Mr. Dyment Introduction to Full-Deck Stacks): that is fullfilling the requisites in my opening post. |
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Nikodemus Inner circle 1140 Posts |
I went through the same decision-making process as you about 3 months ago. I wanted a stack that was easy to learn, rather than loaded with built in effects. I considered several that were described as easy to learn by their creators. The one I settled on was Joyal's SIX HOUR MEMORISED DECK. You can download the ebook from his website for $20 if I remember correctly. Definitely worth considering.
I wrote quite a detailed review if you want more info. Now - a few months later - I know it off by heart. I don't need to use any of the "rules" any more - but they certainly helped at the beginning. I would now feel MUCH more confident learning ANY stack. Next time round I would use Harry Lorayne's system (which I used a bit as a teenager about 40 years ago). IF I decide to learn another stack I will be looking at built-in features. But I expect the Joyal stack to keep me busy for a long time yet. |
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ltrblst Loyal user 226 Posts |
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On Jul 16, 2020, Nikodemus wrote: Thanks a lot for your reply. I will check Joyal stack, looks interesting. Right now I returned to the Bart Harding stack (and I'm fairly satisfied) because: - I learned I can easily get to it from NDO - I found an easy way to calculate next/previous card - I'm getting more confortable determining card at position and vice versa - it looks pretty random Which book by Harry Lorayne do you suggest to help with deck memorization? |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
I have a section on deck memorization in all my books on memory training except the books geared toward school students (like Super Memory-Super Student). Go to my new website - harryloraynemagic.com - to learn more. And - to enjoy --- click on "Videos" and you can see me on The Tonight Show, doing the magic square and my 90th birthday video with many well-known people. And if you click on "Y(ouTube" in the paragraph there you can see about 34 card performances from my 4-vol. "Best Ever" DVD set. Enjoy!
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
http://www.harrylorayne.com http://www.harryloraynemagic.com |
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ImpromptuBoy Special user Toronto, Canada 898 Posts |
I highly recommend Harry’s The Memory Book (that’s how I was able to easily memorize the Mnemonica stack).
Harry, you’re a true inspiration, I hope to meet you in the near future! Mor |
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Nikodemus Inner circle 1140 Posts |
Yes - The Memory Book. Brilliant
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ltrblst Loyal user 226 Posts |
Quick update.
Thanks for the suggestions, The Memory Book is helping a lot and I'm starting to learn the Redford stack. Until my performance will be decent, I will continue to use the Bart Harding stack within my routines. |
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nico360 New user 31 Posts |
Hi!
Just wanted to add my opinion/help ^^ It's funny because a couple of my friends want to learn a (random) stack, and when I ask them if they started they say the same thing.. "I'm still looking for the correct learning method" There's no secret... just do it! It's only MY opinion, but the time you "loose" reading memorizing methods, it's time you could use on actually memorizing a stack... I learned it 5 cards at a time, just pure memorization. You will honestly see it's not that hard! I had like 95% in 2 days, and after that I made a couple of mistakes. But the following days/weeks I had the stack in my phone and I named the cards/numbers while going to work, in the subway. I recited the stack from 1 to 52, 52 to 1, then the four of a kinds, the suits... I did use some tricks to remember certain cards It's important you know it REALLY well! Even if it takes you 6 months, it will be worth it!! If you know it perfectly, it completely eliminates the "thinking" you have to do. Good luck !! |
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ddyment Inner circle Gibsons, BC, Canada 2499 Posts |
For those who have been patiently waiting (sorry it took so long), the Q Stack mentioned above is now available in my Calculated Thoughts book, just released today.
The Deceptionary :: Elegant, Literate, Contemporary Mentalism ... and More :: (order "Calculated Thoughts" from Vanishing Inc.)
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ltrblst Loyal user 226 Posts |
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On Feb 9, 2021, ddyment wrote: I need this! Finally! Will it be available from Penguin? |
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ddyment Inner circle Gibsons, BC, Canada 2499 Posts |
On Feb 8, 2021, ltrblst asked
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Will it be available from Penguin? It should be; all the major dealers should be able to get it.
The Deceptionary :: Elegant, Literate, Contemporary Mentalism ... and More :: (order "Calculated Thoughts" from Vanishing Inc.)
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tom_stamm Loyal user Los Angeles 248 Posts |
Thanks Doug. I just order you book. I am looking forward to,reading it.
Just Some Guy.
"For Seven Tons of the King's Tea, Six Fine Ladies to Fight a Great Jackass -- me." |
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tom_stamm Loyal user Los Angeles 248 Posts |
I received Doug's Book "Calculated Thoughts" Wow. Great first impressions. While I haven't read all 400 pages yet, this isn't going to be a review per se. This is just my impressions.
First, The physical Book itself is first rate: Hard Cover, high quality paper. The content is Amazing. Granted I only read through the 70 page chapter on Full Stacks (My main interest in purchasing the book) Doug covers a lot of his thoughts on how stacks are organized and used. He includes 8 of his full stacks in the book. I have made playing card stacks a bit of a study, Doug covers the subject impressively. If you want to learn how to memorize things like memdecks look into the fine works of Harry Lorayne. If your interest in the mathematics of stacks and shuffles study the work of Russell Duck (Rusduck). Doug's book is a Masterwork providing real insight on the types and use of stacks. Plus another 350 pages of what looks like some equally fine mentalism. The stack chapter was worth the cost of the book for me. I will be spending the next few months of quarantine studying Doug's book. BTW - I have no financial involvement with this book, it is merely my opinion. Heck I never met Doug, except online in these forums. Best of success to you Doug. An unexpectedly fine production.
Just Some Guy.
"For Seven Tons of the King's Tea, Six Fine Ladies to Fight a Great Jackass -- me." |
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Nikodemus Inner circle 1140 Posts |
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On Aug 16, 2020, nico360 wrote: This is a bit of a self-contradiction! |
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ltrblst Loyal user 226 Posts |
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On Jul 20, 2020, ltrblst wrote: I want to give an update that might be useful to some. One of my favorite effects is Asi Wind ACAAN: it gets incredible reactions and is one of the main reason I'm trying to get a stack memorized cold. However, to do the effect you REALLY need to know the stack by heart and without any hesitation, like counting... which frankly I don't know if I will ever be able to do. I'm an amateur, I tried different methods, but I don't use the stack everyday. So I found a different solution: instead of working to get down 52 cards (value-suit pairs) I thought it would suffice to memorize a 13 card sequence. This is something that everyone can easily know by heart. Without exposing AWACAAN you may guess how using a tetradistic stack solves my problem in two steps: - when the card is named you do your "slow" memory work in order to calculate the position (thanks to the routine structure you have time) - the position tells you what bank you need to look for, and the 13-values memorized sequence will help you to get the job done I'm using Doug Dyment's QuickStack 3.0 which looks decently random, especially the suit order (as opposed to Si Stebbins, Eight Kings or Karma Deck), and is pretty easy to use. The only precaution that I use is that when using high numbers I let the spectators deal face down at first and as he approaches the card-at-number I istruct him to deal face up. |
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