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People are lining up for the Russian developed vaccine. Folks who want the shot are on the left (no pun intended) and those that do not want it are on the right. I wonder which line is longer. I'm going with the right line being the longest, but people could be frightened enough to try anything that might protect them from the virus.
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I hope it works out well.
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A vaccine that is released with no human testing. Good luck with that
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I forget is there a SARS vaccine.
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The Russian vaccine has not undergone phase-3 testing and releasing it is like playing Russian roulette: They've jumped the gun.
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I am not a doctor and know very little about doctor stuff.

We have a HUGE bureaucracy here that things go through. Is the way we test the standard for the world?

I'm not interested in debating if it is right or wrong or whatever. I'm only curious as to if there is a worldwide standard is all.
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That's what the World Health Organization is meant to do. Promulgate scientific standards that have a consensus of the international community. As far as I know they are only guidelines and have no enforcement power.

"WHO norms and standards

WHO has played a key role for over 50 years in establishing the WHO Biological Reference Materials necessary to standardize biological materials as well as developing WHO guidelines and recommendations on the production and control of biological products and technologies. These norms and standards, based on scientific consensus achieved through international consultations, assist WHO Member States in ensuring the quality and safety of biological medicines and related in vitro biological diagnostic tests worldwide. The Organization accomplishes this work through its biological programme, the WHO Collaborating Centers, and the WHO Expert Committee on Biological Standardization (ECBS). This also involves close collaboration with the international scientific and professional communities, regional and national regulatory authorities, manufacturers and expert laboratories worldwide."

https://www.who.int/immunization_standards/en/
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I forget is there a SARS vaccine.
So far no SARS(2002) vaccine.
About testing vaccines - does not look like international standards are agreed so much as discussed:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4778966/
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The unprecedented challenge of pricing a coronavirus vaccine

https://pharmaphorum.com/views-analysis-......vaccine/
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Thanks Tommy, they have a trendy (ios 14?) color scheme and empty capsule logo.

Larger discussion has already set the stage to offer "treatment" rather than cure.
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The unprecedented challenge of pricing a coronavirus vaccine

Maybe this will sound familiar: Affordable treatment but only gives 90 day protection or the one twice the price gets you 12 months.
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"That's what the World Health Organization is meant to do."

Except they don't.
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"That's what the World Health Organization is meant to do."

Except they don't.


Not by a long shot.
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On Aug 17, 2020, magicfish wrote:
"That's what the World Health Organization is meant to do."

Except they don't.

Yes, it's a voluntary organization; it requires the good will and support of member nations that know how to act co-operatively. Some countries are more capable of that than others.
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On Aug 17, 2020, magicfish wrote:
"That's what the World Health Organization is meant to do."

Except they don't.

Yes, it's a voluntary organization; it requires the good will and support of member nations that know how to act co-operatively. Some countries are more capable of that than others.


It requires a hive mind.
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"If we hadn't broken every single WHO rule many times over, we would never have defeated smallpox." (Isao Arita from Japan WHO team cited in Laurie Garrett's book The Coming Plague). Although a smallpox vaccine existed, cases devistatingly still popped up in war torn parts of Africa in the 70's. WHO guidelines at the time would not allow Arita to meet with warlords in Somalia; but he went anyway at great peril to his own life. (why would warlords trust a 'Western' scientist to vaccinate his troops?). Arita was successful in his arguments, vaccinated the soldiers (and others in Somalia); and smallpox was declared in 1980 (ironically by WHO) to be "eradicated" from Earth. Although we wave our national flags, these tiny enemies have no flag. Lynn
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WHO is detrimental to world health.
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On Aug 19, 2020, magicfish wrote:
WHO is detrimental to world health.


Leaders of countries who pretended that there was no problem.
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WHO is far from perfect, but spewing propagandist garbbage against it is not helping.

And it's well-known that smallpox was eradicated thanks to WHO's spectacular efforts. Isao Arita actually led the WHO team that eradicated the disease.
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WHO is far from perfect, but spewing propagandist garbbage against it is not helping.

And it's well-known that smallpox was eradicated thanks to WHO's spectacular efforts. Isao Arita actually led the WHO team that eradicated the disease.


You seem to imply that their distance from perfection is somehow caused by people who point out how far they are from perfect.

When they do things OBVIOUSLY wrong (Not hard to find examples is it? Even recent ones huh?) then they need to be called out and judged whether they are useful or not. This is not propaganda, it is simply how the world works.
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