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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts 
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Tbaer, do you blow up the balloon first and deflate it as Dick did in the video. This may make it a little longer when deflated. Also as most balloon makers do, they stretch the balloons between their hands prior to blowing them up. Just asking, to find out if any of these stingers as you call them, would gain any deflated length.
Dick Stoner only sold the best quality balloons available, as they supplied all the school carnivals in Fort Wayne over the years. They have been in business since the 1940's. |
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David Todd Inner circle 2490 Posts
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On Sep 12, 2020, tbaer wrote: *EDIT: I made my post before I saw that Bill Hegbli had already posted what is essentially the same advice in the post above mine. ----- Quote:
On Sep 12, 2020, Bill Hegbli wrote: ------ I don't have any of the 321Q Bee Body balloons on hand, so I don't know if it will work with the 321Q Bee's (maybe not because of the "stinger" end ?) , but here's something that might help with preparing other airship balloons: Sometimes it can help to prepare the balloons by pre-inflating them before a show , inflate it and hold the nozzle end closed between your fingers or use a "Quickie Clip" balloon clip (don't tie it) and let the balloons stay inflated a minute or two. Then deflate the balloon. Then inflate it again and hold it for a minute. This procedure will pre-stretch and loosen up the latex rubber so the balloons will inflate easier when you have to blow them up inside the tube. A more elaborate stretching preparation is to grip the balloon by wrapping your lower two fingers around it about 2/3rds down the balloon, then inflate it so that only the lower 1/3rd of the balloon is inflated below the point where your fingers are wrapped around it. Hold it that way for a minute, then let the air out and now grip it so your thumb and forefinger are wrapped around it about 1/3rd down the balloon and inflate it so only the upper 1/3rd of the balloon is inflated above where your fingers are gripping it. Hold it that way for about a minute. This pre-stretching routine imparts a "memory" to the balloon so it easily inflates in the lower 1/3rd and upper 1/3rd of the balloon (the parts that will be sticking out of the ends of the tube). You can repeat this pre-stretching routine a few times, inflating only the lower 1/3rd and upper 1/3rd and holding it that way for a minute. Take a look at this article on balloon twisting technique: https://www.clownantics.com/blogs/clowna......ua-clark You're essentially doing the same thing that is done to form a balloon dog's tail, so you'll have a pre-stretched balloon that will easily inflate on both ends , but the middle section of the balloon is not stretched, so it will do what you need it to do when it inflates inside the tube. Look at this screen shot I made from the tutorial on clownantics.com - Screen Shot CLICK HERE |
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David Todd Inner circle 2490 Posts
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TBaer - It looks like there are two different versions of the 321Q "Bee Body" balloon ... one version has the black "stinger" tip , like this:
https://www.tmyers.com/collections/321q-......36827211 The other version are the No-Tip 321Q balloons like this: https://www.tmyers.com/collections/321q-......321bqant Maybe Daytona Magic had intended to send you the "No-Tip" balloons ? Click here to view attached image. |
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David Todd Inner circle 2490 Posts
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I am reminded that there is another type of long balloon that can be used for children's shows or family type of shows with children present, which is a "caterpillar balloon". These come in various versions , some with a face pre-printed on the balloon, some are blank so you can draw a face on the balloon as part of your presentation. I don't currently have any of these , but my recollection is they are about 4" - 5" diameter when inflated , between 20" - 25" long, depending on which brand you use. The ones I used would fill up my custom-made Spikes Thru Balloon tube which is 4" diameter x 7" high.
Using one of these turns the balloon into a character which is the "victim" of having the spikes run through them. Of course, it's a better ending if the little character survives the ordeal , or if it is popped , then you magically restore it in some other way using a duplicate balloon , so all's well that ends well. With the Owen Magic Supreme "Spikes For Skeptics" or the MAK Magic "Turkish Turmoil" it's easy to remove the balloon from the tube without popping the balloon. With MAK's "Spikes Thru Balloon" you can't really do that if the balloon's nozzle is tied in a knot , but if you use a "Quickie Clip" you can deflate the balloon after the spikes are removed, instead of popping the balloon.  |
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tbaer Inner circle Pennsylvania 2015 Posts
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On Sep 12, 2020, Bill Hegbli wrote: Yes, I stretch the balloon beforehand and I blow up the balloon before hand. Because the stinger cannot be blown up, I squeeze air into the stinger as best I can, but even that is very hard to do. After all that prep work when I insert the balloon into the canister and blow up the balloon the stinger will still not fill up with air. So the balloon filled with air only goes as far as the bottom metal tube and the stinger dangles out the bottom of the canister. |
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tbaer Inner circle Pennsylvania 2015 Posts
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On Sep 13, 2020, David Todd wrote: Maybe Daytona Magic did intend to send me the "no tip" balloons. I left them know of the situation and they said they would make it right. So I'll see what they do about it. It's been about a week and I haven't heard back from them, so I'll find out what kind of reputation they have in making things right with a customer. Time will tell. |
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David Todd Inner circle 2490 Posts
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Well, hopefully they will send you replacement balloons that will work.
Aside from that , your other options is to try Bill's suggestion of using a longer Qualatex 350Q , 3" diameteter, 50" long (or Betallatex 360 , 3" diameter, 60" long) and tie a knot in it slightly less than half-way in the middle of the balloon , then trim away the remaining tail below the knot so you'll have a longer balloon (but not too long) about 24" long x 3" diameter. If you want it shorter , just tie off the knot a bit higher up , about at the 1/3rd point on the balloon, then trim off the excess tail below the knot, so you might end up with a balloon about 16" long x 3" diameter , but since the problem you were having was with the balloon being too short, maybe better to keep it around 24" long. Of course, if it doesn't matter about having around 21" - 22" of balloon sticking out from both ends of the tube or it doesn't matter about having the dangling tail from an under-inflated 50" balloon, just use the full size Qualatex 350Q. However, I think since you were interested in performing the "Nothing Grinder" routine having a long 21" - 22" portion of balloon sticking out of each end of the tube would make it awkward to do the "grinding" move ... a longer tail on the lower part of the balloon flapping around when you did the grinding motion might look awkward ... OR it might just look silly enough to get some additional laughs from the routine (?). Click here to view attached image. |
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tbaer Inner circle Pennsylvania 2015 Posts
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David,
I did order some longer balloons off Amazon. I wasn't going to wait to see what Daytona Magic was or wasn't going to do. |
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David Todd Inner circle 2490 Posts
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Just a note about the balloons which are intended as Refills for the Mental Balloon effect :
I ordered some of those balloons,(Mental Balloon Refill) . They arrived today. I haven't tried them yet with Spikes Thru Balloon, but on inflating one it seems to me they are a bit small and thin, the latex doesn't seem to be the same thickness as the Qualatex balloons 350Q and 646Q , so these may be difficult to inflate inside the Spikes Thru Balloon tube, although the size is right for the standard Grant/MAK Spikes Thru Ballon tube once it's inflated. Fully inflated it's 15" - 16" long , 3.6" diameter. My worry is that when fully inflated these balloons don't have enough extra latex to work around the gimmick without making the balloon too tight and prone to breaking (?). I think under-inflating it to about 12" - 13" long will allow enough "give" to let it inflate safely. Like any balloon used for a magic trick I think it's good advice to pre-inflate the balloon before show time , keep it inflated for a few minutes (using a clip, don't tie a knot in it) then deflate it , so the latex is stretched out a bit. Quote:
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malibujoey New user United States 6 Posts
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I’d like to buy Turkish turmoil if anyone can help me
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts
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On Nov 2, 2020, malibujoey wrote: WELCOME TO THE Café! This prop is now a collectors Item, selling for over $200 from some collectors of magic props. No one can help you, if you do not want it enough to pay the asking price. When you get your 50 helping posts, you can then enter the "Let's Make a Deal" Section of the Café and see if any members that own this prop, is willing to sell it. |
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David Todd Inner circle 2490 Posts
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On Nov 2, 2020, malibujoey wrote: The Turkish Turmoil occasionally appears for sale on eBay. Make a custom search so you get an email notification if anyone lists one. You could join the U.F. Grant/MAK Magic Collector's group on Facebook to ask if anyone there has one they would want to sell. Check with John Sterlini at UsedMagic4Sale.com . He has a lot of Grant and MAK Magic items. https://usedmagic4sale.com/ Let him know you're looking for one and he could email you if he gets one in. Bill Hegbli is correct; these tend to be rare and go for a high price. |
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts
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On Nov 2, 2020, malibujoey wrote: Try Winkler's Magic Warehouse. |
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Owen Anderson Loyal user A sturdy fence needs at least 233 Posts
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Love this trick. Been doing it forever based on a routine in Kid Stuff 5.
When 418s disappeared from the market I had to retire it for a while. Couldn't find a good substitute until I found these: https://colinjohnmagic.co.uk/shop/balloo......in-100s/ They are not the same as the 418s I could get locally so I had to play with them a bit but they are close enough. Might be worth a try. Hope that helps. I have no relationship with this shop except as a customer.
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peterkendall New user 22 Posts
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Well, I dusted off my Turkish Turmoil since my daughter's getting married on New Year's Eve, and wants me to perform some effects for the rehearsal dinner invitees.
I can confirm the the length of the Turkish Turmoil tube is 11 inches and the diameter is about 3.75 to 4 inches. My tube is slightly out of round - it came that way - but it closes evenly and the latch secures the two halves quite well. I too am in a rush to find the correct, fresh new balloons for this effect. This thread was a start - thank you.
Peter Kendall
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David Todd Inner circle 2490 Posts
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I don't have the Turkish Turmoil prop (I have Spikes Thru Balloon) , so I don't know for sure , but these balloons that Owen Anderson mentioned in his post look like they would work with Turkish Turmoil:
https://colinjohnmagic.co.uk/shop/balloo......in-100s/ It says that these #418 balloons are 4 inches diameter and 18 inches long. |
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peterkendall New user 22 Posts
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Thanks David, I’ll check it out right now!
Peter Kendall
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wally Inner circle 1831 Posts
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I’ve just emailed Owen to see how much the spike thru Balloon would be sent to UK. Is this the best one around at the moment,
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David Todd Inner circle 2490 Posts
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On Sep 5, 2021, wally wrote: Do you mean Owen Magic Supreme? Their version was called ‘Spikes For Skeptics’ invented by Bill Taylor. Owen’s closed their doors last year. I believe Alan‘s daughter was still liquidating some of the smaller stock so she may have one of those to sell you? Good luck. The original version by Bill Taylor was published in Geniii magazine in the 60s. If you have a subscription to Genii you can access it in the digital archives. Not too difficult to make or have made for you from either a metal or PVC tube. https://www.martinsmagic.com/allmagic/co......supreme/ |
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wally Inner circle 1831 Posts
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I was looking at practical magic knotty knotty bang band, Does anyone here have this, I would have love to buy Owen supremes , but they are closed for business, which is the more professionally one ,
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