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Bill Hegbli
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Tbaer, do you blow up the balloon first and deflate it as Dick did in the video. This may make it a little longer when deflated. Also as most balloon makers do, they stretch the balloons between their hands prior to blowing them up. Just asking, to find out if any of these stingers as you call them, would gain any deflated length.

Dick Stoner only sold the best quality balloons available, as they supplied all the school carnivals in Fort Wayne over the years. They have been in business since the 1940's.
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I had a few email conversations with Daytona Magic before I made my purchase with them regarding the 'spikes thru balloon' effect. I asked them if they have balloons that will fit the canister. They said they do and they told me they are the Bee qualatex balloons item # FF045. So I made my purchase. When I received my items the balloon pack label read FF045 and 321Q Bee Body. The balloons before being blown up are 5" long and this includes the black stinger or what some may call the tail of the balloon. After you blow up the balloon (not inside the canister) it measures 13" long and the diameter is just short of 3" and appears to be the perfect size for the 'spikes thru balloon' canister. The stinger or the tail cannot be blown up, no matter what you do, even if you stretch it and squeeze air into it, when you go to re-blow the balloon the stinger will not fill up with air.

So before blowing up the balloon, now it only measures just short of 4" long because the stinger won't fill up with air and the canister measures 6" and thus lies the problem. The balloons I received are not long enough to work because of the inside canister gimmick if you know what I mean. The balloon before it's blown up must go all the way through the canister and out the other end and then you can blow it up. I contacted Daytona Magic last week and let them know of the problem and they seemed to be apologetic and would correct the situation, but as yet I've not heard from them. I informed Daytona Magic to let their staff know of the problem so this doesn't happen to other magicians who purchase these balloons for this effect. In the meantime I ordered some other balloons that will fit the canister through Amazon.



*EDIT: I made my post before I saw that Bill Hegbli had already posted what is essentially the same advice in the post above mine.

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"... blow up the balloon first and deflate it as Dick did in the video. This may make it a little longer when deflated. Also as most balloon makers do, they stretch the balloons between their hands prior to blowing them up."



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I don't have any of the 321Q Bee Body balloons on hand, so I don't know if it will work with the 321Q Bee's (maybe not because of the "stinger" end ?) , but here's something that might help with preparing other airship balloons:

Sometimes it can help to prepare the balloons by pre-inflating them before a show , inflate it and hold the nozzle end closed between your fingers or use a "Quickie Clip" balloon clip (don't tie it) and let the balloons stay inflated a minute or two. Then deflate the balloon. Then inflate it again and hold it for a minute. This procedure will pre-stretch and loosen up the latex rubber so the balloons will inflate easier when you have to blow them up inside the tube.

A more elaborate stretching preparation is to grip the balloon by wrapping your lower two fingers around it about 2/3rds down the balloon, then inflate it so that only the lower 1/3rd of the balloon is inflated below the point where your fingers are wrapped around it. Hold it that way for a minute, then let the air out and now grip it so your thumb and forefinger are wrapped around it about 1/3rd down the balloon and inflate it so only the upper 1/3rd of the balloon is inflated above where your fingers are gripping it. Hold it that way for about a minute. This pre-stretching routine imparts a "memory" to the balloon so it easily inflates in the lower 1/3rd and upper 1/3rd of the balloon (the parts that will be sticking out of the ends of the tube). You can repeat this pre-stretching routine a few times, inflating only the lower 1/3rd and upper 1/3rd and holding it that way for a minute.

Take a look at this article on balloon twisting technique: https://www.clownantics.com/blogs/clowna......ua-clark

You're essentially doing the same thing that is done to form a balloon dog's tail, so you'll have a pre-stretched balloon that will easily inflate on both ends , but the middle section of the balloon is not stretched, so it will do what you need it to do when it inflates inside the tube.

Look at this screen shot I made from the tutorial on clownantics.com - Screen Shot CLICK HERE
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TBaer - It looks like there are two different versions of the 321Q "Bee Body" balloon ... one version has the black "stinger" tip , like this:

https://www.tmyers.com/collections/321q-......36827211

The other version are the No-Tip 321Q balloons like this:

https://www.tmyers.com/collections/321q-......321bqant

Maybe Daytona Magic had intended to send you the "No-Tip" balloons ?

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I am reminded that there is another type of long balloon that can be used for children's shows or family type of shows with children present, which is a "caterpillar balloon". These come in various versions , some with a face pre-printed on the balloon, some are blank so you can draw a face on the balloon as part of your presentation. I don't currently have any of these , but my recollection is they are about 4" - 5" diameter when inflated , between 20" - 25" long, depending on which brand you use. The ones I used would fill up my custom-made Spikes Thru Balloon tube which is 4" diameter x 7" high.

Using one of these turns the balloon into a character which is the "victim" of having the spikes run through them. Of course, it's a better ending if the little character survives the ordeal , or if it is popped , then you magically restore it in some other way using a duplicate balloon , so all's well that ends well. With the Owen Magic Supreme "Spikes For Skeptics" or the MAK Magic "Turkish Turmoil" it's easy to remove the balloon from the tube without popping the balloon. With MAK's "Spikes Thru Balloon" you can't really do that if the balloon's nozzle is tied in a knot , but if you use a "Quickie Clip" you can deflate the balloon after the spikes are removed, instead of popping the balloon.


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On Sep 12, 2020, Bill Hegbli wrote:
Tbaer, do you blow up the balloon first and deflate it as Dick did in the video. This may make it a little longer when deflated. Also as most balloon makers do, they stretch the balloons between their hands prior to blowing them up. Just asking, to find out if any of these stingers as you call them, would gain any deflated length.

Dick Stoner only sold the best quality balloons available, as they supplied all the school carnivals in Fort Wayne over the years. They have been in business since the 1940's.


Yes, I stretch the balloon beforehand and I blow up the balloon before hand. Because the stinger cannot be blown up, I squeeze air into the stinger as best I can, but even that is very hard to do. After all that prep work when I insert the balloon into the canister and blow up the balloon the stinger will still not fill up with air. So the balloon filled with air only goes as far as the bottom metal tube and the stinger dangles out the bottom of the canister.
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TBaer - It looks like there are two different versions of the 321Q "Bee Body" balloon ... one version has the black "stinger" tip , like this:

https://www.tmyers.com/collections/321q-......36827211

The other version are the No-Tip 321Q balloons like this:

https://www.tmyers.com/collections/321q-......321bqant

Maybe Daytona Magic had intended to send you the "No-Tip" balloons ?


Maybe Daytona Magic did intend to send me the "no tip" balloons. I left them know of the situation and they said they would make it right. So I'll see what they do about it. It's been about a week and I haven't heard back from them, so I'll find out what kind of reputation they have in making things right with a customer. Time will tell.
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Well, hopefully they will send you replacement balloons that will work.

Aside from that , your other options is to try Bill's suggestion of using a longer Qualatex 350Q , 3" diameteter, 50" long (or Betallatex 360 , 3" diameter, 60" long) and tie a knot in it slightly less than half-way in the middle of the balloon , then trim away the remaining tail below the knot so you'll have a longer balloon (but not too long) about 24" long x 3" diameter. If you want it shorter , just tie off the knot a bit higher up , about at the 1/3rd point on the balloon, then trim off the excess tail below the knot, so you might end up with a balloon about 16" long x 3" diameter , but since the problem you were having was with the balloon being too short, maybe better to keep it around 24" long.

Of course, if it doesn't matter about having around 21" - 22" of balloon sticking out from both ends of the tube or it doesn't matter about having the dangling tail from an under-inflated 50" balloon, just use the full size Qualatex 350Q. However, I think since you were interested in performing the "Nothing Grinder" routine having a long 21" - 22" portion of balloon sticking out of each end of the tube would make it awkward to do the "grinding" move ... a longer tail on the lower part of the balloon flapping around when you did the grinding motion might look awkward ... OR it might just look silly enough to get some additional laughs from the routine (?).

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David,

I did order some longer balloons off Amazon. I wasn't going to wait to see what Daytona Magic was or wasn't going to do.
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Just a note about the balloons which are intended as Refills for the Mental Balloon effect :

I ordered some of those balloons,(Mental Balloon Refill) . They arrived today. I haven't tried them yet with Spikes Thru Balloon, but on inflating one it seems to me they are a bit small and thin, the latex doesn't seem to be the same thickness as the Qualatex balloons 350Q and 646Q , so these may be difficult to inflate inside the Spikes Thru Balloon tube, although the size is right for the standard Grant/MAK Spikes Thru Ballon tube once it's inflated. Fully inflated it's 15" - 16" long , 3.6" diameter. My worry is that when fully inflated these balloons don't have enough extra latex to work around the gimmick without making the balloon too tight and prone to breaking (?). I think under-inflating it to about 12" - 13" long will allow enough "give" to let it inflate safely. Like any balloon used for a magic trick I think it's good advice to pre-inflate the balloon before show time , keep it inflated for a few minutes (using a clip, don't tie a knot in it) then deflate it , so the latex is stretched out a bit.




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Magic Etc Ft Worth Costume has 'Refills for Mental Balloon' which are the size which will fit nicely in the standard Grant/MAK Spikes Thru Balloon tube.

The balloons are 13" long and 4" diameter inflated. There are 4 colors red, green, blue, yellow, 25 of each color, a total of 100 balloons in each pack. $6.50 .

https://www.mtpsales.com/product/refill-......i-fatta/

They said they are low on stock , currently have 4 packs in stock, but hope to get more soon. Other dealers might also have 'Refills for Mental Balloon' (Mental Balloon is a different effect which uses these type of airship balloons). So check around.

Looks like Daytona Magic also has them: https://daytonamagic.com/shop/kids-magic......-refill/
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