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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Please post for me a single government official who even remotely said "do what you want".
I'm not giving an opinion. I'm asking you to back up your claim. So naturally you resort to acting like that because you can't. New York is making great strides in how do deal with this. The lifestyle they have had to dictate response. Using SO MUCH public transportation, living much closer than the rest of the country and so on dictates their necessity to respond how they did. Chicago not as much but still follow the same sort of idea. Smaller places like Branson with no public transportation, houses often not within sight of neighbors can have a bit of a different response and still be quite safe. So each place is making decisions seems to be a good move. I have literally lived in all these situations. But instead of wanting to talk like an adult you use hyperbole and then sarcasm. Is prefer to discuss but since you don't really want to maybe let those of us who do go ahead and discuss?
Danny Doyle
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
I was just at one of the biggest Jam Sessions in my Life and I've been to hundreds. Not a single person was wearing a mask. They did sanitize the microphones but most jam sessions do that anyway. It's always been a good idea.... Other than that ... NO SOCIAL DISTANCING!!! In fact many people were shaking hands and hugging each other!!! It was back to normal and people were LOVING IT!!!!!!!!!!! Follow the money .... The Billionaires all made more BILLIONS!!!!! You and I took it in the shorts. These lockdowns were a SIN!!! Sweden has shown the way ... A lower death rate than the USA!!!! They didn't lock down...
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
Apples and oranges... Sweden had a MUCH higher death rate per capita than the US with their attempt at "Herd Immunity"... on the other hand, the US has a much higher rate of infection per capita and thus more deaths by far. You just get out there and keep playing with no mitigation. Those choices will solve themselves.
Ray Pierce
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Yea but Ray the fact is that 99 plus percent survive this.
Again my question that everyone avoids is what happens if there is no vaccine? What happens if we just have to live with it? How long can we be afraid? I mean in that case life has to go on doesn't it?
Danny Doyle
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Ken Northridge Inner circle Atlantic City, NJ 2392 Posts |
Good point Danny.
And IF and WHEN the vaccine arrives how effective will it be? Flu vaccines are estimated to be 40% to 60% effective. So, if the covid-19 vaccine is 50% effective and we cut the mortality rate from 1% to .5% is that enough? Is that acceptable? There are many leaders with the mind-set that they will not fully open businesses and lift restrictions until there are ZERO deaths!
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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there are many leaders with the mind-set that they will not fully open businesses and lift restrictions until there are ZERO deaths! I think you'd have a hard time actually naming anyone with any power who has said that.
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Ken Northridge Inner circle Atlantic City, NJ 2392 Posts |
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On Oct 29, 2020, landmark wrote: This quote is taken directly from NJ Governor Murphy's Facebook page on September 23rd. "Even as the numbers of deaths we report every day continue to be low, we cannot take any solace in that. Our goal must be to get them to zero. Not three or five, or seven like today. Zero." It been over a month since he said this. And despite the fact the death rate remains low, some days it has been zero, he has not relaxed any restrictions at all. Indoor dining remains at 25% capacity.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Oct 29, 2020, Ken Northridge wrote: Wasn't hard at all to find a person with any power who said that was it? Murphy is a fantastic example of government overreach. He has also extended the state of emergency. Now the thing that is difficult is those who want to spout talking points from the first few weeks of the pandemic, those who want to use it as a political tool, and those who are just afraid.
Danny Doyle
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
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On Oct 28, 2020, Dannydoyle wrote: From what I've studied, yes most survive it although many retain lingering respiratory complications. Your question is simple. With no mitigating medical solutions... what happens? A lot more people die. The same as in any pandemic/plague. Life does go on for some, the rest die. 1% OF 300 million is 3 million dead in the US. No big deal if it's not you or anyone you know I suppose. To quote someone else. "It is what it is."
Ray Pierce
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On Oct 29, 2020, Ken Northridge wrote: Don't you wish that the death rate were zero? What you claimed was that leaders said *they would not open up fully* until the death rate was zero. That quote does not say that.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
BTW, there is no FB posting for September 23rd for Governor Murphy. I did find a Twitter post for that day. Here it is *In Full* the same words you quoted:
"Even as the numbers of deaths we report every day continue to be low, we cannot take any solace in that. Our goal must be to get them to zero. Not three or five, or seven like today. Zero." Nothing about refusing to open until the death rate is zero on that day on Twitter or FB. Look, I am not a professional, so I don't have any standing to say what those who are should do for their livelihood. All I am saying is there is a lot of misinformation, evidently some of it deliberate, and you should make your decisions based on the actual facts, not made-up ones.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Oct 29, 2020, Ray Pierce wrote: But yes 1% of those who catch it, not population. Just to clarify.
Danny Doyle
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Ken Northridge Inner circle Atlantic City, NJ 2392 Posts |
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On Oct 29, 2020, landmark wrote: Murphy was getting a lot of pressure to reopen, and this is his typical response.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Oct 29, 2020, landmark wrote: The point is to weigh the cost of not being open and Draconian measures against what happens if opening. Because lives are destroyed with the way things are and this is easy to see. So where is the balance point? This is why my question of what if there is no vaccine is SO important. Also my more difficult question is all you are ever doing is complaining about corruption in government and money and blah blah ad nauseum. But here you trust 100% of everything you are spoon fed by the very corrupt system. Seems an odd turn and frankly it seems as if it is opportunity to further your worldview more than anything. So again let me ask a strange question. We have seen the experts (And I believe they are by the way.) be wildly wrong about many things from the start. They shut down the world and caused amazing chaos in doing so. (In not claiming they should or should not have. Let's say they do so based on best information and intentions at the time for argument sake.) What if they were just wrong? What if the impact of the cure was worse than the disease and it turns out it was going to be this no matter what we did? Do you believe for a SECOND that they will come out and admit it?
Danny Doyle
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Danny, I'm not going to get into the politics of it here; as you know I'm not shy about voicing my opinions, but in this particular forum, as I say, I respect that the people who post here are pros. So everyone here has to make up their own minds how to handle it. What I am about here, because I love both magic and magicians, is to correct misinformation about some basic facts.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
That has become the problem. Fun the experts what is considered a fact changes pretty regularly.
Danny Doyle
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
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On Oct 28, 2020, Ray Pierce wrote: Not true ... Sweden is LOWER!!!!!! Their economy is kicking @ss ...
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
We have received some pretty good economic news today as well.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
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On Oct 30, 2020, Dannydoyle wrote: Over 30%!!!!! Must be some kind of Economic Record!!!!!
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I don't know what it means or represents. But it seems good.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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