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On Oct 10, 2020, thomasR wrote:
True. And I give you lots of credit danny... you didn’t stay in New Jersey.

It amazes me how some people would rather stay where they are and complain about their current situation, rather than looking at a map (literally or figuratively) and moving.


Hind sight is 20/20. This New Jersian thought this was going to last a month, then 2 months, then till the end of the summer, etc. etc. I don't think I would have picked up and moved with hind sight, but I must admit I would have jumped on the virtual bandwagon. I still have not lifted a finger to do that.

As far as I can tell New Jersey has had one death in the past week. And still we are limited to 25% capacity in restaurants--and it is getting cold outside making outside dining uncomfortable. The Governor just raised all tolls the gas tax to begin to pay for all of his social programs he created to protect us and save lives.

I always say someone has to stay behind in New Jersey to turn the lights out.
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OK let's be REALLY clear. I moved there for work. When Broadway shut down there was no more work.

I did not have some brilliant foresight or premonition. I knew it was the epicenter of the Zombie Apocalypse and the dog and I got tired of prowling the badlands. Clearly it was not getting any better any time soon. So I left.

I had no roots. I had nothing holding me there but work and that stopped.

Anyone can say anything they want but at the front of this thing it was *** scary in that part of our world. If you were not there you would not understand. Forget now and what we learned those first few weeks were really spooky. Forget political affiliation or if you hate or love the president. None of that mattered. In the zone it was outright scary. I think this is something to keep in mind.
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On Sep 11, 2020, Jed Maxwell wrote:
Slim King, your admission of running non-socially distanced photoshoots, whilst not wearing a mask, with dozens of non-masked customers beggars belief. You gloat that you made a little more than a days wage at Universal from an hours work. This pursuit of your self-interest during a global pandemic is the prime example of "covidiocy". Your profession draws people together so you can draw a wage. To heck with the consequences, because you finagled some tax-free chump change. You endanger the image of all performers. Does your employer know?

It seems David Thiel agrees with you, which is a shame as I have agreed with him on many points. Not this.

I'm not arguing with any of you. I have lambasted others that have turned this forum into an echo-chamber for the socially maladjusted and internet addicted. I just making a statement because this is my last post. I have been here a year, and quickly realized that there are other ways I can learn mentalism without having to swath through the writings of the lonely and the kooks. Goodbye, and good day to you.

Well, it's been over a Month since the gig and NO ONE GOT SICK ... The HYPOCHONDRIA has got to stop!!! I'm not sick and neither is anyone on the gig... The attendees are on a mailing list and NO ONE GOT SICK!!!! Hypochondria is a Mental Disorder and it even debilitates many brilliant minds.... According to the CDC about 10,000 in the USA died from Covid alone. Three times as many die in car wrecks....THINK!!!! The Pandemic is over. The death rate is now less than the flu... Smile
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Shouldn't you compare the stats to car crashes where they had no secondary condition though? They may have been less alert if they already had a health condition, and if they were obese or had asthma or whatever, they may have been about to die any day now, so the car crash bringing it forward by a day or two doesn't really matter (if we are treating them the same as some say we should treat Covid cases).

While it isn't perfect because the lockdown should have reduced a number of other deaths like flu deaths, and may have increased some others, the excess mortality rate is probably the most reliable data to go on, as while the cause of someone's death may be misrepresented, faking the number of deaths themselves in a Western country would be a lot more difficult.

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
https://theconversation.com/279-700-extr......r-147887
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Here is a simple fact. This is something. It is not a car crash.

Now does the response warrant what was done and is being done? This is the real discussion.
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CDC says that only around 10,000 Americans died from Covid alone. About 35,000 died from car crashes. Are you still driving? CDC says one in a million children die from Covid ... It's more dangerous to drive them to school than it is being at school... The Pandemic is OVER... The death rate has been lowered by 90%.... Smile Besides ... Studies from 2005 and 2010 prove that HCQ and Zinc stop the virus from replicating...
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On Oct 20, 2020, Slim King wrote:
CDC says that only around 10,000 Americans died from Covid alone. About 35,000 died from car crashes.


As Danny said, the car crash comparison isn't the best to use, but if we are going to use it, you have to use the same conditions.
How many of those died from car crashes alone and didn't have a secondary condition? If they had been healthier, they may have survived.

It's sort of like saying the bullet catch is 100% safe because no magician has ever died from it in the history of the world (who was missing their left leg and singing a Britney Spears song at the time).
Unlike the buried alive trick, which countless people have died of!

If you want to add conditions to the bullet catch, you have to have the same conditons to buried alive. Likewise if you want to use the car crash example, you need to either compare over 200,000 dead to 35,000 dead, OR, 10,000 dead to what would suddenly become a very low number.
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The point Slim is making, and it isn't really a bad one, is that new information is coming out every minute. The "hide in your bunker" mentality is not a good one to keep fostering. A fear mongering mentality is not a good one to keep fostering.

Is there SOMETHING? Absolutely yes. But what is the net affect? Here is an interesting take on that. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-failed-......99000890
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I get that, but I don't think before having that conversation until whatever people are basing their thinking on is properly considered.

Honestly, I'm still in shock at how the US handled things, and is continuing to do so.
In my state, both people and the leadership took it seriously back in January, and people did their part, not out of fear, but in the same way that you put your seatbelt on. We eradicated the virus, and I haven't worn a mask in months, nor do I see anyone else doing so, because it was dealt with straight away. Despite that, the state is still mourning/showing respect for the 6 people who died (taking population into account, that would be less than 400 for the entire USA).

The US seems to have gone crazy with a mix of fear and a fear of fearmongering, but not really putting in proper effort to really deal with the virus, leading to a situation where everyone has to keep on dealing with it badly with no end in sight. It seems like the maximum work for the smallest reward. On top of that, after almost 3,000 people died on 9/11, the world mourned with the US. Now over 200,000 people have died needlessly, and a lot of the country acts like they are a drop in the bucket.
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On Oct 20, 2020, Dannydoyle wrote:
The point Slim is making, and it isn't really a bad one, is that new information is coming out every minute. The "hide in your bunker" mentality is not a good one to keep fostering. A fear mongering mentality is not a good one to keep fostering.

Is there SOMETHING? Absolutely yes. But what is the net affect? Here is an interesting take on that. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-failed-......99000890


There’s surely a middle ground between what you call “hide in your bunker” and Slim’s take though.

By the way... I don’t call respecting local stay at home orders to be “hide in your bunker” - I call them respecting government officials and healthcare workers.
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At first there was little choice. We knew so little.

But do either of you accept the fact that this was and may still be a political power grab?
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At first there was little choice. We knew so little.

But do either of you accept the fact that this was and may still be a political power grab?


What do you define as “this” ?
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[quote]On Oct 20, 2020, Slim King wrote:
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CDC says that only around 10,000 Americans died from Covid alone. About 35,000 died from car crashes. Are you still driving? CDC says one in a million children die from Covid ... It's more dangerous to drive them to school than it is being at school... The Pandemic is OVER... The death rate has been lowered by 90%.... Smile Besides ... Studies from 2005 and 2010 prove that HCQ and Zinc stop the virus from replicating...


Thank you for proving my point...

CDC site says something different than only 10,000 deaths: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm

And how do studies from 2005 and 2010 show effectiveness of a drug against something not seen until 2019 (The 19 on COVID-19 stands for 2019). Current studies show HCQ not effective https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-an......tting-or
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David's initial description was a fair and thoughtful analysis of working under tough conditions in my opinion. Thanks for that, David.

I am not going to discuss the opinions which followed--I've done that too much in other threads, LOL!!

But there are some matters of fact that need to be corrected, particularly this one:

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Florida is leading the way just like Sweden!!!


Whatever the merits of Slim's posts may be, he picked the absolute worst example to bolster his case.

A reality check:

Deaths due to the virus, followed by deaths per Million:

Sweden: 5922..... 586/M
Denmark: 688..... 123/M
Finland:: 355......... 65/M
Norway: 279.......... 52/M

https://coronavirus.app/map?mode=dead


That is, the number of deaths in Sweden is roughly 10 times the number of deaths in neighboring countries with similar cultural practices. If anything, Sweden is the example to illustrate the exact opposite of Slim's view. Sure, we must all make up our own minds, but actually look at the statistics so we can make up our minds intelligently.

You can also use the same link to understand exactly how Florida is leading the way--that would be in the top 10 of states with regard to number of deaths.
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I just performed in another gig at a wedding for several hundred people. No one except the wait staff wore masks. The band didn't, the guests didn't, and the bride and groom didn't. The WHO says lockdowns don't work!!!! If you lived in a plastic bubble for the next 20 years you'd probably die right away when you came out because your resistance and immune system would be so inadequate!!!! I say Zinc and any Ionophore and live life to it's fullest. Works for me and my family!!!! Smile Smile Smile
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At first there was little choice. We knew so little.

But do either of you accept the fact that this was and may still be a political power grab?


What do you define as “this” ?


Reactions to covid protection.
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At first there was little choice. We knew so little.

But do either of you accept the fact that this was and may still be a political power grab?


What do you define as “this” ?


Reactions to covid protection.


Yes, Reactions in the USA are very political on both sides. Which is a shame.

Belgium, Netherlands, and Ireland are both entering into more restrictions this week. My friend in Belgium is sad the restrictions are back but doesn’t feel like it’s a political issue and questions why the USA acts like it is. I don’t have an answer for him.
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Perhaps because they are in a different country with different governmental systems in place.
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I'm looking at scientific evidence that the death rate (As distorted as many say) has dropped to a fraction of what it was during the initial outbreak. Some here seem to be claiming it's as bad or even worse ... If this is true I'd love to see proof. Otherwise I'm believing the Scientists ...... My favorite statistician is Tony Heller on Youtube. Dozens of Drs. were on the Supreme court steps on Friday declaring the Pandemic is OVER!!!!! Did you see that? Smile Smile Smile
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I didn't see the posts saying it's as bad or worse than before, but I don't think that's true, for both good reasons and no so good reasons.

The good reason is that as more is learned about the virus, hospitals have become far better at treating it. Unfortunately, that won't be the case anymore if the hospitals get too overrun, and they currently have the most cases since August https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1318685548492587008?s=09

The bad reason is that with any cases, the deaths will lag behind greatly (someone might catch it on day 1, show symptoms on day 8, need to go to the hospital on day 16 and die a month or two after that. Then that death needs to be added to the figures).

And there are probably countless other factors at play, such as early on when no one knew anything about it, people would be more likely to think it was just a flu, continue to push themselves, and suddenly drop dead in the street, not realizing their body was incredibly oxygen-starved. Someone resting early on could easily make the difference between living and dying (as could secondary conditions, such as obesity or having the normal flu at the same time as covid).

While an incredible amount has been learned in a short time, there is still a lot to find out, such as the rate of serious long term health issues for those who survive, and under what conditions people can catch it more than once.
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