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Death is a lagging indicator. This is true.
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I'm looking at scientific evidence that the death rate


Let's be a little more clear: "the death rate" is an ambiguous term. It could refer to the number of deaths compared to number of reported cases of infection; or it could mean the number of deaths per unit of population. The only relevant statistic is the latter: how many bodies per million are in excess this year, as opposed to last year.

Imagine a jar with 10,000 jelly beans. Some are red, they represent cancer deaths; some are blue, they represent heart attacks; some are green, they represent supposed COVID deaths. Now suppose that every death marked as COVID was really due to a heart attack. In other words, all those green jelly beans should really be blue.

EVEN IF THAT WERE TRUE THERE WOULD BE THE SAME NUMBER OF JELLY BEANS IN THE JAR. But that is NOT THE CASE. What we have is the equivalent of an overflowing jelly bean jar--many many more jelly beans, that is, excess deaths, all of a sudden this year. Where did they all come from???

Even if you allow 10% of the excess to be explained by the lockdown (although how many prisoners die because of lockdown?) it still doesn't explain that other 90%

No, the death rate from COVID has not gone down significantly in recent weeks. No, the number of COVID deaths in NJ (as one poster said) was not down to one last week (in fact it was around 45 deaths for the week).

For gosh sakes, we all have opinions but at least get the basic facts right.
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Covid has sped up the deaths of many I think is your point?
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Well the eventual death rate is 100%. That's the downside of being human. But yes, if we look at a given time period, say a year, there are simply more deaths happening in 2020 than in 2019 from all causes. So what's the reason? Sunspots? Chance? Bad haircuts? There are more jelly beans in the jar this year than one would guess based on prior years. That's the essential fact.

"Speeding up the deaths" is one way of putting it, and because of that, it's also bunching them up into a smaller time frame.
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The average Covid death age ... 78 ... The average life span of Americans ... 78 ... Interesting isn't it. About 3 million die in the USA every year. A true test is to compare the actual number of deaths from 2019 to 2020 or some version of annual death. At first the fear mongers said 13 million would die from this ... Then 2.2 million citizens would die .. The actual number is 220K so far... That's ONE TENTH of the projected death. Did you know that the "Stimulus" package was introduce to congress in January of 2019. FAUCI predicted that TRUMP would have a surprise Pandemic back in 2017... I've seen the video. How did Fauci know if this wasn't planned?... Is he Psychic? Is congress Psychic?
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A true test is to compare the actual number of deaths from 2019 to 2020 or some version of annual death.


Exactly. And it's exactly what you *didn't* do in any post that you've made on this forum. Instead, you claimed that Sweden which has 10 times the number of per capita deaths compared to its neighbors was the model to follow. Instead, you claimed the virus was disappearing when on average 100 people a day in Florida and 1000 people a day in the US die from it. Those numbers have held realtively steady since June.

The number of excess deaths for the year almost exactly corresponds with the number of estimated deaths due to COVID, that is, 200,000. By the end of the year, at the present rate of about 1000 excess deaths a day, the figure will be close to 300,000 deaths.

That evidently seems to be fine with you as long as it doesn't affect you personally. It's one way of responding to the facts, I suppose.
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FAUCI predicted that TRUMP would have a surprise Pandemic back in 2017... I've seen the video. How did Fauci know if this wasn't planned?


It's a deep mystery, isn't it? When I was a kid my mother told me if I went out without my winter jacket on, I'd catch a cold. And I did. She must have planned it, right?
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I don't think that the comparison is happening in a vacuum. Meaning that there are other factors as to why people die. To say that all the 200,000 are because of covid is a logical leap and skips a couple steps. Maybe it is true. But the road to proving it is much longer than the short cut you are taking.
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I think that lots of people are dying and that the numbers are as accurate as other numbers. (Not perfect, but the best that our worldwide doctors and systems can produce).

Now what should we as America do about it? Probably about what we are doing. If some think we should be doing more and some think we should be doing less that’s probably where we need to be.

Danny is performing safely and following local guidelines. That seems reasonable.
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We just may need to learn to live with this. It is possible it may not go away and that life, no matter how much one may not want it to will end and that sucks.

The new normal may be viruses we can't defend against. Anyone ever think of that?
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If that’s the case there will be less people willing to travel and most likely less ability to travel internationally.

I’m not really worried about what our government should or shouldn’t do, the majority of the leaders of the free world have all decided to require masks, socially distance, limited capacity gatherings, etc. That’s reality. Learning to work and live in the current reality is my focus. Ignoring it or crying about it doesn’t do much to further us.
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We have had a Therapy for 15 years .. HCQ and Zinc ... It has saved thousands but it costs less than $20 so Big Pharma wants nothing to do with it even though the WHO and CDC paid for the SARS research. Thousand of Drs. have saved thousands of Americans with a simple cocktail of an Ionophore and Zinc ... The Zelenko Protocol works..... It cured my in-laws and it's kept my entire family safe. Smile Smile Smile
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Fauci has recently said we will be dealing with this (wearing masks, social distancing, etc.) until late 2021 or early 2022! If this is true is it time to find a new career? Seriously. I can't think of a single profession that has been hurt worse than entertainers, especially the ones who thrive on live performances. Yes, there are other things we can do (virtual shows, etc.) but nothing that comes close to matching our previous income.

It will be very interesting to see what happens with the death rate from this latest spike in cases. The increase in number of cases is not too surprising considering the availability of testing, but the death rate should be dropping dramatically. Trouble is it hard to find this data. The media is fixated on TOTAL number of cases and TOTAL deaths making it seem like its the end of the world. In my opinion, the paranoia has never been worse than it is today.

I consider myself to be an optimist, but 2020 making me question that life long habit.
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Consider just how many things Fauchi has fourteen absolutely wrong.
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Hypochondria is a Mental Illness....Mentalists should see this clearly. It is more dangerous to drive your car now than any danger from Covid.....But the Fear Mongers persist!!!! Smile
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Please keep your fear mongering about car crashes to yourself. probably 90% of those so called "car crash victims" had other underlying conditions, and 100% of them were already going to die (eventually).
Don't you find it rather suspicious the Government keeps bringing in all kinds of driving laws, requiring people take driving tests and pay for drivers licences, and yet each year they still tell the sheeple that people are "dying" in car crashes?
How fast are people in car crashes going? let's say 100mph in an extreme example. Did you know a human tooth is so strong and durable that it can literally last for hundreds of years, and they are going through an impact every time we bite our food? Teeth are just another bone of our body, yet people try and tell us that even a 100mph impact is enough to damage those bones to the point of death?!?! Also to begin with, they had cars with no seat belts, and now we do have seatbelts to (control us) save us from crashes, and yet they still say that crash deaths are happening?!?!

Finally, have you ever actually talked to someone who died in a car crash? I've spoken to plenty of people who were in a crash and survived, but not one person who said they died in a crash. Please stop spreading the mental illness of car crashes and just let people live freely, without "seatbelts", "driving lessons", having a car that's "roadworthy", or any of the other stupidity the Government wants the sheeple to believe.
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The car crash analogy is not the best. Ask in the end we are so scared of ac thing that is than 1% die from.

I just wish we could move forward without the political agendas.
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On Oct 25, 2020, Dannydoyle wrote:
The car crash analogy is not the best. Ask in the end we are so scared of ac thing that is than 1% die from.

I just wish we could move forward without the political agendas.


Just today more countries in Europe announced curfews and more restrictions. The US political agendas are what is keeping your show open, so you may want to rethink that.

For better or worse, the US is being pretty “do what you want” about this.
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Yea no nothing to think about. Many might argue those agendas are keeping things closed a actually.

I defy you to post ac single thing from a single government in America that says "do what you want". Pure fear mongering and propaganda. That is all that is.

Which is THE EXACT I'm speaking of
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You’re opinions are cute.
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