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charlie_d
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I'd like to add a packet trick, but I don't have time for two. Which should I go for? Does anyone here do both?

Right now I have an ACR and a "cutting the aces" / poker demonstration style effect, so both NFW and Stand Up Monte work - NFW because of the aces and Stand Up Monte because of the gambling / cheating explanation presentation. I love both effects; I think they're both about as strong magically as you can get. I have no problem with the techniques, gaffs and spectator management. I think I'd prefer the new "Bar Presentation" of NFW because of the directness and the in-the-hands aspect, and the "vanilla" presentation of Stand Up Monte has a great flow, with lots of strong moments and a great finish.

I'd use either trick as a lead in to something with the full deck, so any tips on handlings or presentations would be gratefully received! To be honest I don't think there's anything wrong with resetting the packet and pulling out the full deck; the first part of both ACR and the full-deck aces thing is to have them shuffle the deck (if they can, and if they want to), so there's a natural-ish flow there ("so this time I can't cheat").
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I personally think the best packet trick is Jon Allen’s Double Back. I realize that doesn’t answer your question but might give you something to think about.

Best of luck.

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Which one feels more comfortable to you?
Myself, I always had a difficult time following up a packet trick then removing a full pack from my pocket.
In my opinion, NFW allows for a full deck to be introduced then performing NFW and then into full deck tricks
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Not sure what's the most comfortable. NFW is easier to perform, I think. Stand up monte has *a lot* of procedure but more magic imo.

"Double Back" is interesting. Again, with the "impossible' transpositions.

Another possibility is to go ungaffed and use the Nick Trost Four Ace routine; it has transpositions and can be done in a "betting" style I guess, so it's kind-of in the same ballpark.

NFW and Stand Up Monte both have impossible moments in the audience's hands, which is why I like those two tricks specifically. I guess it's possible to have both and just do NFW when I feel like something really quick, and Stand Up Monte when something a little bit longer is needed. And Trost Aces with a borrowed deck or if I don't have the packets with me.
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Another packet trick that has the magic happen in their hands is Dr Daily's Last Trick. I use this as a follow up to NFW, yet no special packet cards are needed for DDLT, just remove the 4 cards you want to use from the deck if you just want to do it.
I use this
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One thing about Stand Up Monte, if you don't perform it regularly you might have trouble remembering it. Myself and several other folks around here have mentioned this. It's a great trick, but lots to remember. Something to think about.
Both Wravyn and Paul make great suggestions. I have a deck with Double Back in it right now. I performed this at all my corporate walk around. It's not in their hands, but it's a killer.
Another thing you can do related to gambling is Color Monte. Put the "14 dollars" reveal card in the deck (or just use a normal, different card from the deck) and take it out with an Ace and a Joker instead of those colored diamond cards and you're all set for a gambling story. Then you can just leave the revealed card on the table and go into your normal full deck routines.
Keep us posted and have fun!
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On Sep 14, 2020, Wravyn wrote:
Another packet trick that has the magic happen in their hands is Dr Daily's Last Trick. I use this as a follow up to NFW, yet no special packet cards are needed for DDLT, just remove the 4 cards you want to use from the deck if you just want to do it.
I use this


If you do NFW and immediately do Doc Daley's Last trick with the same cards, no gaffed card ever winds up in the spectator's hand. Takes the heat off the NFW cards and always gets a great reaction.

Gary
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On Sep 16, 2020, gkfreed wrote:

If you do NFW and immediately do Doc Daley's Last trick with the same cards, no gaffed card ever winds up in the spectator's hand. Takes the heat off the NFW cards and always gets a great reaction.

Gary


Exactly.

Another nice thing about Doc Daley's Last Trick (as a stand alone trick) is you can use any four of a kind from a borrowed deck of cards.
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Another vote for Doc Daley's Last Trick, especially when it's done with matching cards
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I like stand up monte, and agree that it's got more magical moments.
It would fit with the cheat persona too.
Yes, it's more of a challenge to remember, but I would also say that it is something you could take apart and reconstruct. It's almost modular, and so could be shortened or lengthened at will.
Flexible in performance, means you could jazz a little if you wanted, or make your own
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Charlie_d I'm curious if you've considered Twisting The Aces.
It can also be used to talk about a "cheaters skill", is ungaffed, has several "impossible" magical moments and imo gets much better reactions than DDLT.
Sometimes people can reverse engineer DDLT, but I find most people blown away by Twisting The Aces. "I was looking right at your hands!"
To each their own, YMMV
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