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How do you get Antoine’s version with the app? I’d only want this for the app.

As for the theft issue, I love promystic and own five of their effects but as a lawyer, if Murphys owns the rights to the anverdi line, they are in the clear here.

In general, I agree with pegasus that I don’t find the die version particularly entertaining. I have a few color cube variations, including the promystic version, and like it much better. Just looks like a cheap cube you’d get in a kid’s magic set and that’s actually the way I describe it. But I would use the three dice version with the app. I like the emailed prediction aspect.
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I think it you order from his website it works with his app, voila and soon a lot of others. But you should check first
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On Sep 19, 2020, Saturn UK wrote:
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On Sep 19, 2020, magicmind wrote:
Have been looking at these sets/single version. Confusion comes in as both are from persons with "An" last names. So can someone clarify, to verify that my notes are correct?
Antoine set (three) has a screen and app. Thumper is optional, but only reads one die. What is the measurement of the die?
Anverdi set (three) has a screen and NO app nor thumper. What is the measurement of the die?
Anverdi DIE (single) has a newer thumper and NO app nor screen.

Whew, did I get it right?
I know the history, just want product info on what I mentioned above.


Your description of the Antoine set is incorrect. I do not have time to give you a full description of all the options available here but they are in the ad copy etc.

Lazy! Smile
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Craig`s (Promystic) dice never let me down, never ever, I have it since years. I paid a lot - I got a lot. I fully stand behind Craig`s product and will not buy ANY cheaper whatever.
Thank you Craig for your high quality products. I hope the cheapies will vanish soon... (I heard many awful stories from other versions on the market) T
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Brainman I agree with you 100%

I have never had a problem with any of Craig's products and he pours his heart and soul into his work and customer service.
I will never buy a cheap knock off where the company clearly doesn't value the integrity of keeping the secret off the web and plastering it around.
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On Sep 19, 2020, DrewBstoss wrote:
Murphy's claims "rights" to the Anverdi Line but they aren't producing HIS Mental Die. Anverdi was no doubt ahead of his time in terms of utilizing tech in magic but his original Mental Die is a glorified prop trick. It used a JUMBO DIE placed INSIDE A BOX - there's no denying that an intelligent audience would view it as a MAGIC TRICK. Murphy's can't even argue that the plot/premise is unique to Anverdi because the concept of secretly learning the number on a die predates him.

Craig at PM was, to the best of my knowledge, the first to push the idea into the "real world" by producing a piece of kit that:

1) Didn't require a box or any other extraneous props
2) Used a normal looking die that could be handled as such
3) Combined the idea with a th***** so that the performer obtained the information without ANY visible means of communication

Those are SIGNIFICANT innovations!!!

Craig had the good sense to price his product high so that it didn't saturate the market. He also respected magic enough not to parade an exposure video all over the internet.

Murphy's isn't selling "Anverdi's Mental Die" - they are selling Craig's product. They are also destroying secrets in the name of sales.

I am constantly saddened by how often the "magic community" cannibalizes the potential to preserve magic/mystery for our audiences - not to mention the theft and unethical behavior that runs so rampant.

Drew


This. All of this. I could not have said it better. Drew is spot on. This is theft, plain and simple, and rampant exposure. Nobody hurts magic more than magicians. There was a time when we preserved secrets (though hardly ever a time when performers didn't steal from one another), but not anymore. Magicians (though I hesitate to use that word to describe them) seem to get more pleasure out of showing off how many secrets they know on YouTube than actually respecting their craft and striving to better it.

This is a massive affront to Craig, and no one should give their money to it. But, magicians just want cheap secrets these days, despite the fact that the very marketing Murphy's is doing renders their new toy practically useless.
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This is great going to order soon glad I waited cause I really didn't need the 3 dice for 295.00 ! the black is nice but may not look common to a lay person.
I will probably go with the white dice . Anyone have any thoughts on what color dice they would go with ?

thanks,
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On Sep 19, 2020, tophatter wrote:
This is great going to order soon glad I waited cause I really didn't need the 3 dice for 295.00 ! the black is nice but may not look common to a lay person.
I will probably go with the white dice . Anyone have any thoughts on what color dice they would go with ?

thanks,
Tophatter


I agree and chose the white
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Thanks for your opinion that's what I thought but the black looks sooo good !!
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Where I'm from both colors are common so wouldn't raise suspicion. However, I favor white tophatter as traditional dice were ivory. It's one of those decisions you have to go on your gut feeling. Either would be fine though. (hmmm, took an each way bet answering your question mate LOL)
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On Sep 19, 2020, cardistry master wrote:
I think it you order from his website it works with his app, voila and soon a lot of others. But you should check first


To use the Antoine app you must purchase the Antoine Thumper. The Antoine app will not work with the Antoine digital display receiver.

Mark
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Thanks for your input I went with the white Order is In !
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I prefer black for three reasons:
1. Many people (laymen) will own GoDice in the future. They are white and they look identical to Anverdi's. Go Dice are not black, so people won't make the connection.
2. I already own a white, blue and red
3. There are amazing presentations to be had by having one black and one white die
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On Sep 20, 2020, Doric wrote:
I prefer black for three reasons:
1. Many people (laymen) will own GoDice in the future. They are white and they look identical to Anverdi's. Go Dice are not black, so people won't make the connection.
2. I already own a white, blue and red
3. There are amazing presentations to be had by having one black and one white die


Good points!
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Dice that come with Monopoly: White
Dice that come with Yahtzee: White
Dice that come with a jillion other board games: White

A small white die is about as ubiquitous as an item can be. A black die, not so much.

Mark
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If you already have a white die with 'Mental Dice', would you really need another? The black would allow greater variety.
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White dots on a black die are more visible for me...I got that From Timon Krause
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On Sep 20, 2020, Magic Mark wrote:
Dice that come with Monopoly: White
Dice that come with Yahtzee: White
Dice that come with a jillion other board games: White

A small white die is about as ubiquitous as an item can be. A black die, not so much.

Mark

Black Dice Matter! 😁
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On Sep 19, 2020, tophatter wrote:
This is great going to order soon glad I waited cause I really didn't need the 3 dice for 295.00 ! the black is nice but may not look common to a lay person.
I will probably go with the white dice . Anyone have any thoughts on what color dice they would go with ?

thanks,
Tophatter


I ordered the white, although I must admit that after reading this thread, I feel a bit guilty about the whole 'theft' thing...
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I will have a white and black (with receivers) delivered on Tuesday. I also have the Anverdi 3 Dice Set.

I will report back how the receivers interact with the Anverdi 3 Dice Set and the black and white. I’m curious.
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