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I know the subject of Blaine has been absolutely beaten to death and back. For that I apologize in advance. I would like to offer some insight into his success and the feelings other magicians have for Mr. Blaine.

The reason magician's do not like David Blaine is they feel many many more magicians are more deserving of his success. Magicians like Michael Ammar, Bill Malone, Dai Vernon, Ed Marlo, THESE should be the household names, not David Blaine.

First of all, David is a businessman. A very good one as well. He developed a plan to successfully market his magic to ABC executives and did so. So in other words Blaine marketed his product rather than focusing on making his product better than anyone else's.

To give you an example of this I have been asked the question before: can you make a hamburger better than mcdonalds? Yes of course, anyone can. But, can you create a more efficient business plan than the McDonalds corporation? No, I don't think so. But I don't go around screaming "no fair I can make better hamburgers than mcdonalds" which essentially is what the magic community is saying about David.

So here are a bunch of magicians claiming David does not deserve his success. On the other hand David created a great business plan, marketed it to ABC so I believe he DOES deserve his success, as is often the case, strategy is more important than product.

It's no accident McDonalds is the most successful and profitable food franchise in the world. So essentially I'm saying David Blaine is the McDonalds of magicians, and I definitely don't mean that in a bad way. David did not "get lucky" and fall into his success. And magician's have a problem with that. We should be congratulating David instead of tearing him down.
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Re: "is they feel many many more magicians are more deserving of his success"

when you can write for yourself, you might find your feelings respected.
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What's wrong with that sentence?

"Many magicians feel, that many OTHER magicians are more deserving of his success than he is."
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Jonathan,

I think I understand what you were trying to say.

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Look at his sentence again... and consider that phrase about "deserving".

DB has his success, and he alone will continue to enjoy it or not as per his own choices. He earned his success. I have nothing kind to say about the sentiment involved in looking at another person's success and forming an opinion about whether or not they deserve it. My displeasure at reading of envy and coveting is added to when reading an opinion where the sentiment is attributed to others.
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I went through the phase of liking David, then hating him for the fact that other magicians around me hate him.

Now I'm back at the point where I really do like him. I think his style works for him extremely well. He does his job of making people question reality...isn't that what we should be doing?

As far as what other magicians think, I don't care. If the people I know don't like me because I admire Blaine then so be it. If they don't like Blaine, I highly doubt he gives 2 cents about their opinion.


One thing I can't stand is the Blaine-abees. That is irritating.

BTW, this thread is sort of ironic considering I just picked up a copy of Fearless today and JUST finished watching it 10 minutes ago.
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Jealousy.....
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Every time a new magician has a special on television, the same thing happens -- the old guys who have been working their tails off for years, but who haven't gotten their own network special start badmouthing him. I remember when Doug Henning did his first special. "He hasn't paid his dues!" was the cry from the gallery of the envious.

Kreskin got the same kind of treatment when his weekly Canadian series got so popular.

David Copperfield was given the same kind of razzberries from the jealous ones.

And each one of these people had numerous "clones," going around and performing in poor imitations of their styles.

It's the natural order of things, you know. Most magicians either imitate people or they knock them. I look at each of these fellows as people who have gotten other people interested in magic.

David Blaine's success hasn't hurt me a bit. And I don't try to imitate him in any way.

I don't need to. I have my own style.

Am I jealous of him? Heck no! Why should I be? I'm doing just fine!
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Bill Palmer writes: "Am I jealous of him? Heck no! Why should I be? I'm doing just fine!"

Amen, brother!

That, after all, is the bottom line!

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Ok, but if Ortiz was that famous, how many people would say: "you're better than Darwin!" Nope, not gonna happen for me, but with David Blaine... *** what are you complanin' about? If it's so easy to look better than the "top man" then do it and talk about how he is such a god to your specs when they bring him up, then do your show stopper that is BETTER THAN ANYTHING HE'S GOT! duh
ask harry why he dont want people to know he makes $200 a month for all these ads! thats like $4000 a month! oh but SHHH! harry isnt a real person!
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He's become a trickless "magician." Why do people consider him a "magician?" Is it because he stayed in a glass box for 40 days? Is it because he was standing in a block of ice? Oh well.
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On 2004-06-11 02:29, Nikodini wrote:
He's become a trickless "magician." Why do people consider him a "magician?" Is it because he stayed in a glass box for 40 days? Is it because he was standing in a block of ice? Oh well.


I think it was pretty magical that he could make a crazy amount of money from doing a DL, ID and Fo***ng C**n and an Ambitious Card routine. I don't seem to remember anyone else in magic history doing that.
Oh, and don't take my statement as a "I LOVE BLAINE" post.... I'm just stating facts. Now could everyone just go back to being the best YOU can be and stop worrying about why someone became famous or if it will work the same way if you go out and do the same effects.
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It's no accident McDonalds is the most successful and profitable food franchise in the world. So essentially I'm saying David Blaine is the McDonalds of magicians, and I definitely don't mean that in a bad way. David did not "get lucky" and fall into his success. And magician's have a problem with that. We should be congratulating David instead of tearing him down.


I HATE mcdonalds! they make poor food! and sell it for a high price!
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Re: "OK, but if Ortiz was that famous..."

Not OK. not but (see post in words we use)

And more to the point, Darwin is famous in the way he wants to be, among those he wants to have as his market.

Fame may be something you have to borrow, though not by simple replacement. There has to be some brand distinction to allow the market to choose the product. Then, once a product is chosen, a brand loyalty can be established.
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I write here to beg of Café members, can we please just put this topic to rest. There are many magicians with different opinions on David and a topic that trails on won't change their views on him. He is a human being doing his job and providing people with magical entertainment on television. Something that until he arrived on our screens had been going through quite a dry patch. We also have him to thank for the next generation of young magicians inspired by his shows.
Whether he is a good or a bad magician is irrelevant the fact that he is providing entertainment to the masses is what counts.
Many magicians are envious of his success and beleive that they could be in his situation. this indeed may be true and I urge those magicians who feel this way to act on it and go for it like david did.
Life is something we should enjoy, and as long as you are doing what you want to do, how you want to do it. Why should you worry about what other people are doing, as they too are doing what they desire with their lives.

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Wow, this thread went a way I totally was not intending it to. This post was not a post about Blaine specifically. It was a more a post about why magicians don't like him, why he's successful, and why it is wrong for magicians to envy his success. There are hundreds of thousands of debates on the man himself but that's the point I was trying to illustrate.

Also Jonathan, I never said he did not deserve his success. The entire essay was about WHY he deserved his success. My point was that many MAGICIANS FEEL that he does not deserve his success and I don't think THAT is a false statement.
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I'm with Tom on this one. Put it to rest. Your time would be better served practicing your sleights, reading books on magic, performing for real people and not just friends, family and other magicians. You're going to get anywhere if all you do is wonder how the next guy got famous and not you or if copying the now famous guy will get you there.
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I think David Blaine deserves his success. He has done a great thing for magic. He also has really good presentation skills with his card magic. I only have 1 complaint about him and that is " Look, Look, watch, watch this, look man, watch , watch, look, watch this. "


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That's what makes his magic so visual, he constantly urges his spectators to watch him, this is a tall order for most magicians when they need to execute some slieghts and misdirection is hard to provide as the specs will be watching so scrutinizingly

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On 2004-06-11 12:06, Greg Arce wrote:
I'm with Tom on this one. Put it to rest. Your time would be better served practicing your sleights, reading books on magic, performing for real people and not just friends, family and other magicians. You're going to get anywhere if all you do is wonder how the next guy got famous and not you or if copying the now famous guy will get you there.
Greg


I sincerely hope that was not directed towards me.
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