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Futureal
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So the key has a cut out section, not a bent open section?
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It appears cut our not bent. And it would be very hard if not impossible to change the size of the opening
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I am very pleased with my set. The value for money is great. I made my opening a bit smaller by carefully pushing the ends towards each other somewhat, it was not hard and the reslut is satisfying for me.
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I bought the full set of eight rings even though I only ever use six (Dai Vernon routine).

PROS:

These are lightweight, look very nice, and are reasonably priced.

The welds are almost invisible and the plating is smooth.

11 inch is a good size for me. I had worried that 12 inch might be too large for some of the chain displays, especially the falling ring.

Useful carry bag.


CONS:

Not 12 inch as advertised.

They sound rather tinny - certainly in comparison with my 45-year-old 10-inch solid metal set, which ring like a bell and still look great (they cost £50 back then for a set of eight).

Can't adjust the key ring.

I haven't bothered with the tutorial.


ON THE FENCE:

It remains to be seen how well the plating (and caps) will survive extensive use.

The larger gap makes some moves much easier, though greater care and some adjustment is needed in handling. As a result, I might try out some different handling or new moves.


OVERALL: 7/10.


Mike
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These rings are plated? I thought they were stainless steel only. There is some adjustability with the key with a slight push or pull where the key is held at the three and nine o clock positions and the gap at 12. It's a given with any set of rings.
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On Feb 20, 2021, Leo H wrote:
These rings are plated? I thought they were stainless steel only. There is some adjustability with the key with a slight push or pull where the key is held at the three and nine o clock positions and the gap at 12. It's a given with any set of rings.


I could be wrong about the plating, but assumed they are plated to cover the welds.

Mike
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Thanks Mike!
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My set arrived today and for me it's a mixed bag. They are indeed eleven inches. The gap in the key is definitely too wide. I tried to shorten the gap by brute force but the ring is too thick to budge it. Not good. The aforementioned ugly caps are also on the key as in the photo posted by our German friend. When lightly tapped against each other or linked, there is no sound at all, just a dull clank. No ring, no chime, not even a ping, just a clank. The rings are smooth with no weld spots, so in that aesthetic they're okay.

I see this project as a failure of the folks on this side of the Pacific. The Chinese are still fairly new to the manufacturing process and should have been better instructed on how to make a deluxe set of rings. If I had been in charge of the project I would have flown there with a set of twelve inch Owen rings for them to study and copy. Unless I receive a correct key, this set goes in the closet.
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The idea of the Chinese being new at this and needing instruction on how to make a proper set of Chinese linking rings is pretty funny.
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Ok guys ! You bought these "Deluxe Rings" because there was Michael Ammar's name on the project... and they does not seem to be "deluxe", there is a lot of imperfections, the sound is bad, the key ring is not great, the diameter is not the advertised one...
What does Michael Ammar thinks about this product sold under his name ???
Come on guys, ask for a refound !!! Enough is enough on the magic market ! Too many BS products on the market ... We all should tell the creators and manufeacturers we will not be great guys anymore and put all these BS products in our drawer box anymore !
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On Feb 24, 2021, allan31 wrote:
Ok guys ! You bought these "Deluxe Rings" because there was Michael Ammar's name on the project... and they does not seem to be "deluxe", there is a lot of imperfections, the sound is bad, the key ring is not great, the diameter is not the advertised one...
What does Michael Ammar thinks about this product sold under his name ???
Come on guys, ask for a refound !!! Enough is enough on the magic market ! Too many BS products on the market ... We all should tell the creators and manufeacturers we will not be great guys anymore and put all these BS products in our drawer box anymore !


Totally agree and post the same message on here about once a week.
Magic is the only industry where they can misrepresent a product or sell absolute junk and magicians simply say thank you sir, may I have another?
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I can't help but wonder what Ammar thinks about the end result of this project. He was never a magic seller that misrepresented a product or sold junk. I suspect he was more of a spokesperson than the quality control supervisor.
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I sent an email to Michael Ammar to make him aware of the concerns voiced in this topic.

Mark
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That's great Mark! Please let us know what he has to say about this.
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I'm hoping he'll post something in this very topic.

Mark
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I know Michael - was about to eMail him myself. I am glad you did Mark. Surely he will have a response.
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Michael Ammar responded directly to me and asked that I share this with the forum. This is a direct quote from his email:

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Hey Mark,

Thank you so much for letting me know about this... I haven't seen the rings yet, I'm sorry to say. Seems they're stuck at LAX for several days. But please pass the following:

What I'm hearing about the quality of the rings really concerns me. I had worried about promoting the product before seeing the final product, but I looked at the quality of the Cups they've produced, and seen other products and I assumed these would be absolute top of the line. Those Cups would have been a great value at twice the price, so I assumed the same would be true of the rings. But it doesn't sound good to hear you can't alter the gap on the key ring... I like a large gap, but I know others would like to make it the size they're used to. In any case, I'll share my thoughts with you after mine arrive! More anxious than ever for them to arrive!

Michael



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Interesting that Michael would still be waiting for his rings. I understand he said there was a holdup at LAX but others have received their rings and you would think Michael would have received his long before the general public.
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On Feb 26, 2021, videoman wrote:
Interesting that Michael would still be waiting for his rings. I understand he said there was a holdup at LAX but others have received their rings and you would think Michael would have received his long before the general public.


Do we understand that Michael Ammar never saw a picture from the final product or any pictures at the different steps of the production or something from TCC before the rings were shipped all around the world and that he was not the first one to recieved them weeks before everybody ???
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Well obviously he wasn’t hands on every step of the way.
Sounds like he basically just licensed the use of his name to the project.
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