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Leo H Inner circle 1333 Posts |
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On Feb 26, 2021, videoman wrote: Yes--from his e-mail message it seems he was disconnected from the project to a certain extent. I feel misled about this, but money lost is an educational investment. TCC products are hit or miss. Buyer beware. |
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Magic Mark Inner circle After this post I will have 1521 Posts |
I received the following from Michael Ammar and he asked me to share it with the group. I am posting his comments in their entirety:
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From Michael Ammar: Mark
Doing tricks can be easy, being an entertainer is much harder.
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Leo H Inner circle 1333 Posts |
Thanks for posting this Mark! Mike didn't mention the large gap in the key that's too wide and not adjustable. Will TCC produce a better key for those who backed this project?
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Magic Mark Inner circle After this post I will have 1521 Posts |
Leo, I guess Michael read your post because he emailed me last night and asked me to post this:
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From Michael Ammar: I should mention: Michael hadn't used his Magic Café account since 2006. He tried to log in but had forgotten the password. When he tried to reset the password he didn't get the email. The reason for that (which I learned from Dave Scribner) is that AOL blocks the Magic Café. Michael's email address is an AOL address. And, since January 24, the Magic Café has been closed to new registrations, so Michael can't create a new account either. Mark
Doing tricks can be easy, being an entertainer is much harder.
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leosx1 Veteran user 337 Posts |
I really like my set, also the looks of it, I think I got more than my moneys worth, also they ring nicely if you handle them with the appropriate subtle touch.
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Magic Mark Inner circle After this post I will have 1521 Posts |
I don't think people should be worried about the sound/ring of the rings. Even the hollow Owen rings don't "ring like bells" as some seem to think.
In my experience, SOLID rings have a better ring tone. The only hollow rings that have a nice sustained ring are the aluminum ones by ProLine. These videos compare the ring of ProLine hollow aluminum rings to Owen Magic Supreme hollow stainless steel rings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3Rlh9R3X18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFEnHQpPeok I strongly suspect that these TCC rings have a ring tone that is pretty similar to the Owen rings. Mark
Doing tricks can be easy, being an entertainer is much harder.
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Leo H Inner circle 1333 Posts |
The main problem with this set is the key ring. The extra wide gap isn't adjustable. A substantial amount of the ring was removed to make the gap. Does anyone know if TCC has responded to this issue?
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yin_howe Special user Malaysia 981 Posts |
Thank you @Magic Mark for posting Mr. Ammar's comments.
Could it be that people are disappointed because they were expecting Proline or Owen's quality rings (of which 1-2 single rings would have cost the same as the entire TCC set! @_@). Compared to my elcheapo and very thin set, The tcc ones are waaaaay better.
"Talent without passion is talent wasted.."
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Leo H Inner circle 1333 Posts |
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On Mar 1, 2021, yin_howe wrote: Sure, you could say that. The Kickstarter video presented the rings as something comparable to Owen or Proline at a fraction of the cost. The rings I saw in the video don't appear to be what I received. My main concern is the key ring with the unusually large gap and how TCC plans to address that. |
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Xcath1 Inner circle 3052 Posts |
Maybe they will offer a ring with a smaller gap at a reduced cost to purchasers. I doubt it will be free as I’m not sure the advertisement was a misrepresentation.
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Xcath1 Inner circle 3052 Posts |
I also find the rings of satisfactory quality but wish the gap was smaller.
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Carnac New user 73 Posts |
I'm another "unsatisfied customer",which is a real bummer because I'm not a picky guy. I sold my 12" Clark Fonda rings to get this set. I didn't need an 11" set as I have 4 10" sets already. This would be replacing my only 12" set. The large gap was good for me, I usually cut a piece of the key ring to make it bigger. (even my Orb Eternals) But I totally understand that it is too big for many and not "adjustable". The tone? Forget about a "ring', definitely more of a "clunk", which kind of sucks but not a deal breaker. The finish on the gap, while not visible to the audience, looks/feels unfinished for sure. I would have used a "bullet nose" type of plug. The welds are not visible, which is great, but again, the finish is mediocre. I do like the thickness of the rings. That was a hit.
Oh yeah, I ordered 5 rings, as offered, because my routine also uses just 5 rings. Guess what? I received NO bag! Was that mentioned in KickStarter? No it was not! What really kills me is that Linking Rings are not hard to produce. Maybe 50 years ago they were. But not with today's machinery. Think about it. There are no fancy wood cuts, no intricate paint job, no complicated gimmick, and no new idea. Good Lord, they are just oversized bracelets. Not difficult. (Yes, I checked with two sources) Are these oversized bracelets better than some? Yes. Are they more expensive than many? Yes. Were they advertised with better expectations? For sure. Will anybody buy these at what will be the retail price when they are available to purchase? I can't imagine. |
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
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On Mar 1, 2021, Magic Mark wrote: Interesting that someone would have compared the sounds of the rings, but what isn’t on YouTube these days? But I can confirm that my Proline 12” rings do ring like they do in that video. I personally also like the Proline magnetic key ring. I use it only once briefly during the chain display in Pop Haydn's routine. Just never liked having to hold the chain with 2 hands. I find it to be an added convincer for those that “think” they know. I’m curious if you put the TCC key ring in a bar clamp and tightened it up, if the ring would kink before the gap reached your preferred size? |
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Carnac New user 73 Posts |
IMPORTANT UPDATE: I am happy to say that very shortly after my last post TCC reached out to me to say that I should have received a bag with my 5 ring purchase. That is very good customer service and I really appreciate it. Also, I wanted to say in that last post that I was Very Happy with the instructional video. I remember, many years ago, when I purchased my first set of linking rings. As far as directions are concerned, I received a poorly copied half sheet of "directions" consisting of 4 paragraphs and 3 terrible illustrations of a bunch of circles intersecting. It's amazing that I stuck with magic and didn't pick up a guitar! I loved the fact that I got a full video with performance and explanation from one of the top teachers in our field. It was well shot and wonderfully explained. The idea of marking the rings so I could follow along was terrific and Michael's teaching is always a joy to watch.
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MrFinix New user 28 Posts |
Hi Mark, thanks for sharing Michaels thoughts with us!
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Futureal Inner circle 1695 Posts |
I like Ammar but that statement is a load of garbage.
China has some of the fastest internet in the world, of course they could download a 4K video file. And THE MAJORITY OF THE WORLD uses centimetres. That doesn’t mean they can’t still measure things in inches and know how long 12 inches is! What an absurd statement, that’s almost comical. |
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
What difference does 1080 vs 4K make in an instructional video?
It’s certainly high enough resolution to enable one to learn handlings and routines. Besides, wasn’t the main complaint in regards to the audio quality? As far as the rings not being the size advertised, at the end of the day it doesn’t really matter to the consumer whether it was an intent to deceive or an honest mistake. For those that wanted or needed 12” rings, those people should be able to get a refund. |
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Clemens Ilgner New user Germany 34 Posts |
Hi,
as I promised here is my update to my key ring issues. I wrote to TCC about my concerns and received a ‚perfect‘ one. It is so well made that even I could not find the gap. No kidding....they sent me another single ring. No key-ring. 😂😂😂 Today Axel Hecklau and I cut this ring with a ‚dremel‘ and got very good results. Finally I have now a perfect set for me, but I doubt it will work for everyone. All the best, Clemens |
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Clemens Ilgner New user Germany 34 Posts |
Key Ring....
sorry I tried to upload a picture, but after almost 30 minutes I give up. Why is it so complicated ??? |
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Magic Mark Inner circle After this post I will have 1521 Posts |
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On Apr 20, 2021, Clemens Ilgner wrote: That is both hilarious and extremely sad at the same time. I've never purchased a TCC product and, the way things are going, I never will in the future either. Mark
Doing tricks can be easy, being an entertainer is much harder.
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