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In this routine -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4gH6SmA5dw -- Terry Elton uses a Square Circle where the outer box is hinged and comes open to display it empty.
Does anyone know if this type of Square Circle was made and marketed by a specific magic manufacturer ? I wonder if it is a custom-made item that Terry Elton made himself or had made for him ?

I'm not asking about the routine that Terry Elton is doing with it (that's his original routine) I'm just asking about whether this type of Square Circle with the hinged box was something that was commercially available and who made it.

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David, this was manufactured by Ken Reedy Magic around 2004 and was priced at $219. I've owned and performed it since then. Being able to open it up is very convincing. It comes with a base with small nubs on the on it so the box is perfectly centered when replaced. Terry is using it flat on his table but it comes with 4 legs that raises it up about 6". The load capacity is huge. I produce 12 24" silks and then a 100' streamer and the tube is only about 3/4 full. It has a unique feature that allows you to pick up the tube as a finale and produce something like a feather botania or other large item. I don't know if they are still available or not.

http://magicbykenreedy.tripod.com/new_page_4.htm
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Thank you very much, Dave ! I appreciate you pointing me to the source. Even if he's not still making them I know what to search for on the Used Magic sites.


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Being able to open it up is very convincing.



Yes, that's what caught my attention about this specific design.
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Interesting sidenote: There's often discussion around Fred Haenchen or Louis Histed being the first to apply the theatre principle of Black Art to magician's apparatus. The dates are very close 1930-1931. Haenchen was making Magic for himself and others many years before this.

I mention this here because I do know that Fred Haenchen created a prop he dubbed the Haenchen Triangular Production Mystery. (I do not know the specific time period when this was produced.)

This set consists of a wooden flat base, a round decorative tube, a slightly smaller black inner load tube and a 3-fold wooden triangular "screen" with cut-outs that fits around the decorative tube. The routined handling of the props is very clever and the hinged triangle tube contributes strongly to the impression that nothing can be concealed.

I hope this is of interest to you...

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Must have been called the "Triangle Circle" LOL. Sorry had to say that. Thanks for the information. I never heard of that one
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The Mark Wilson Allakazam Hat also has this effective feature of hinging open , which I think makes a very convincing display.

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What is interesting about this feature psychologically, is that it almost leads the spectator into thinking that the outer box is more important than it actually is. Which ultimately, adds to the mystery of the production.
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What is interesting about this feature psychologically, is that it almost leads the spectator into thinking that the outer box is more important than it actually is. Which ultimately, adds to the mystery of the production.


Yes! The really clever handling of the Haenchen set allows the clearly "empty" tube to be set upright on top of the flat base (like a tray) which is cleanly laid across the top of the now empty triangle-shaped "cabinet". The triangle with the flat board across the top and the empty tube on top of that gives the appearance of a small table with the tube on top.

The production is made from the tube alone.

I don't imagine this would be difficult to make...

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What is interesting about this feature psychologically, is that it almost leads the spectator into thinking that the outer box is more important than it actually is. Which ultimately, adds to the mystery of the production.


Yes! The really clever handling of the Haenchen set allows the clearly "empty" tube to be set upright on top of the flat base (like a tray) which is cleanly laid across the top of the now empty triangle-shaped "cabinet". The triangle with the flat board across the top and the empty tube on top of that gives the appearance of a small table with the tube on top.


This one -

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https://www.martinsmagic.com/allmagic/pr......le-tube/



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Interesting sidenote: There's often discussion around Fred Haenchen or Louis Histed being the first to apply the theatre principle of Black Art to magician's apparatus. The dates are very close 1930-1931. Haenchen was making Magic for himself and others many years before this.

I mention this here because I do know that Fred Haenchen created a prop he dubbed the Haenchen Triangular Production Mystery. (I do not know the specific time period when this was produced.)

This set consists of a wooden flat base, a round decorative tube, a slightly smaller black inner load tube and a 3-fold wooden triangular "screen" with cut-outs that fits around the decorative tube. The routined handling of the props is very clever and the hinged triangle tube contributes strongly to the impression that nothing can be concealed.

I hope this is of interest to you...

Julie


Julie - I don't have photos of the Triangle Production but the Haenchen Production Box is another example of a very clever Square Circle like box, but with even more convincing displays. There is even a Speed Demo of it so you can see it in action. A really nice idea and certainly more advanced than the standard Square Circle.
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In this routine -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4gH6SmA5dw -- Terry Elton uses a Square Circle where the outer box is hinged and comes open to display it empty.
Does anyone know if this type of Square Circle was made and marketed by a specific magic manufacturer ? I wonder if it is a custom-made item that Terry Elton made himself or had made for him ?

I'm not asking about the routine that Terry Elton is doing with it (that's his original routine) I'm just asking about whether this type of Square Circle with the hinged box was something that was commercially available and who made it.

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Hi David Wack-O-Magic also released a Square Circle that packed flat called the That Infernal Contraption, and I believe it is still available.
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Julie - I don't have photos of the Triangle Production but the Haenchen Production Box is another example of a very clever Square Circle like box, but with even more convincing displays. There is even a Speed Demo of it so you can see it in action. A really nice idea and certainly more advanced than the standard Square Circle.


To clarify, I do have the Triangle Tube on my site but the photo was submitted to me by George Robinson and it was not one of mine. And it has been already posted on this thread.
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Hi David Wack-O-Magic also released a Square Circle that packed flat called the That Infernal Contraption, and I believe it is still available.


Wack-O-Magic makes superb props, and I love the look of That Infernal Contraption, but for me the outer box that opens up is more of a convincer than a box that collapses.

On a side note, does anyone know if a builder has made a Square Circle where after the main load is revealed the outer box can produce a second load, and the inner tube a third? Perhaps the outer box could be a variation of the See Through Production Screen http://funtimemagic.com/see-through-production-screen and the inner tube a Phantom Production Tube?

In other words after the initial load is revealed, the outer box is removed and shown empty, and from it, a second load is removed. It's then placed back over the inner tube and the inner tube is then removed, shown empty, and a third load is removed to finish the routine.

It may be a dumb idea, and too much of a good thing. Just wondering.
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Although the Haenchen Production Box uses Black Art, there are differences. It uses a square inner box instead of the inner tube. The square box is shown to have a bottom. I think the load might be smaller than the tube version?
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Wack-O-Magic makes superb props, and I love the look of That Infernal Contraption, but for me the outer box that opens up is more of a convincer than a box that collapses.

Hi Greg,

I was linking to That Infernal Contraption as it opens up flat just like the Ken Reedy Magic one that Terry Elton is using, which is specifically what David was looking for. I didn't say it "collapses" just that it packs flat. Though I'm not sure if there is much difference in this context?

Here are the other Square Circles I have on my site, but I don't see anything else like the one you describe :-( Though this one really maximized the load by using the container that holds the load as a final load itself as a cage with bird to be produced at the end.

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Although the Haenchen Production Box uses Black Art, there are differences. It uses a square inner box instead of the inner tube. The square box is shown to have a bottom. I think the load might be smaller than the tube version?


Hi Bob,

to be sure there are differences and it is much more complex mechanically than the standard square circle and hopefully my Speed Demo demonstrates how clean it is. You are correct the load chamber is about half the size. But that's what comes with the more convincing display of being empty. It also came in four different sizes all the way up to Haenchen’s Illusion Production Box which was big enough to produce a girl!

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I had forgotten about Haenchen's Production Box. We have a small one in our Collection. It's very deceptive under almost any conditions and practical, too. I had also forgotten that each--The Production Box and The Triangle Tube--was available in a variety of sizes. Thanks Andy et al.

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Wack-o-magic also makes one... it's called the Infernal Contraption... it's steampunk themed and comes with a GREAT time travel routine

a link follows

http://www.wack-o-magic.com/infernalcontraption.html
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Wack-o-magic also makes one... it's called the Infernal Contraption... it's steampunk themed and comes with a GREAT time travel routine

a link follows

http://www.wack-o-magic.com/infernalcontraption.html


Hi Michael - yeah that's the exact same one I have on my site that I mention above. I have now updated the link on my site so that it points to your site now. (I purchased mine from Stevens Magic which is why it was pointing to their site before).

Thanks for the link! It is a great looking and working box for sure!

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