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Michael238 Inner circle 1192 Posts |
I was wondering if any one could give me some tips on the handling of the spin link with the Ninja Rings. This is killing me trying to get this.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Do you have the instructions? You just gotta practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice AND practice.
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Randwill Inner circle 1914 Posts |
Or you could skip it. A lot of performers who know that a table is NOT going to be available more often than it IS, just drop the parts of the routine that require one. You've still got a pretty lengthy and entertaining piece without those sections. Plus it frees up time to learn the One Handed Link.
Randwill |
Michael238 Inner circle 1192 Posts |
Hey Pete, I do have the dvd. So I am not dumb, it is a hard move then?
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Bob Johnston Inner circle Philadelphia, PA 1251 Posts |
Mrlucky:
Do not despair; you may never get it to a point of complete reliability. Randwill in right, just drop parts of Shoots routine that are not working out for one reason or another. Shoot is a wonderful magician, but keep in mind that he is also selling the rings and routine. It is fair and reasonable for him to show you all the things that he thinks you MAY be able to do with the rings. Practice, Practice.... May not get you there. Pick out the things that come easily for you and add some things you may find elsewhere. His rings are a wonderful close up routine, but you do not need a 7-minute routine when 2 or 3 minutes is about all most people can bear. Bob |
cfrye Special user Portland, Oregon, USA 940 Posts |
On the night I saw Shoot's lecture on the rings, Matrix, etc., he missed the spinning link twice before he hit it.
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
I dropped the tabled moves because I don't want to rely on a table.
The spin link is neat but I like a spectator to touch the rings before the first link to verify that solid will be linking thru solid. The other tabled link is nice also but I don't think there's anything about it that makes the routine better. Frank
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Shoot missed twice the other day when he worked the Castle, but that doesn't matter.
However... IMHO the Ninja Ring set is perfect for use with Whit Haydn't four ring routine... to me that is a more entertaining routine. BTW, those who have followed the progress of my new "one handed" linking finger ring effect (Joe Porper is making them), which is a newer, better way to do what is known as the Himber Ring routine, will know that we are ALMOST ready. The final versions have been made and we are now just waiting for the Gold Plating and an accessory item.
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
I do think it certainly gets more laughs because it's a comedy routine but the Ninja routine is much more magical to see. It's more entertaining to the eyes.
As is Cellini's and Capehart's routine. Whit's routine is a show business piece but not too magical, in my opinion. I'd pick Whit's routine to perform in a lot of venues just becuase it is a comedy routine but personally I'd rather watch the others.
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SIX Inner circle New York City 1772 Posts |
My friend does everything in the routine and he does it flawlessly thanks to practice.
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Paddy Inner circle Milford OH 1571 Posts |
I have practiced the hello out of ninja rings and there are two pieces that I only get about 50% of the time, so I don't use those two things. They are the spin link and the one handed link. They are both a bear for me to do. Just drop those parts. I still try them during practice just not in a show.
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MagicbyCarlo Inner circle has squandered his time making 1062 Posts |
Yes. This spinning link, and the one handed assembly (not sure what it's called on the video) are HARD moves. They require practice, timing, and positional experimentation but they are not impossible moves. Even with practice you may miss. Don't worry. Missing is okay. In my regular linking ring routine I toss a ring into the air and catch it on the key ring (crash link). 90% of the time I hit the first shot, but 10% I miss. The reaction to the link is always better AFTER a miss! I would add it into the routine, but I don't want to miss twice.
Remember NONE of the more difficult moves are germane to the effect. You can do any type of 4-ring routine including Dan Fleshman's, Wit Hayden's (very clever), or even YOUR OWN! I am left handed and discovered that the spinning link only worked for me if I spin the ring counter clock wise with my right hand. So if you are holding the ring in the right hand try spinning the table ring, clockwise with the left hand. It may feel a bit awkward at first, but try it. I also had to modify the lay of the rings to do the one handed link. I don't use the spinning link though; it's not important to my routine. It's fun to do for magic folk though.
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Ron Reid Inner circle Phoenix, Arizona 2732 Posts |
Hello:
Concerning the one-handed block link, I use an "out" by Dan Fleshman that's on his linking ring video. He says, "I will now make an attempt to link the bottom ring using only one hand. An attempt... (then does the block link) that doesn't always work the first time (if he misses it)!" Then he says, "I'll try again. An attempt..." If he is successful with block link, he just carries on like there was no doubt. I use this, and it gets a hearty laugh if I put a pause in right before I say the line. BTW, I can get the block-link on the first try about 60 percent of the time. I'll get it by the 2nd or 3rd try about 95 percent. Ron |
EricHenning Loyal user Laurel, Maryland 218 Posts |
I also don't do the tabled moves as they are impractical for strolling. However, I do use the one-handed block link, and have found something weird.
I always warm up with the Ninja Rings just before I start strolling, and I always try the one-handed link. I either get it easily or I don't get it at all. If it's easy, it's likely to be easy all night. If not, I probably won't get it the rest of the night. I have an out, which I set up earlier in the routine. At the end of the first blocked link sequence (resulting in 3 linked on 1), I pause and mention how difficult it is to make the last one link because the other two are in the way. Then I do the link and the reaction is much bigger. Later, when attempting the one-handed link, I have a line about the Ninja Master who taught me being so great he could do it with one hand behind his back...but I thought that would just be too much showing off. I time it so I can get in two attempts during this part of the script. But it doesn't matter if I get it or not. BTW, it's easy to get this routine going so fast that it's just a blur to the audience. SLOW DOWN! Especially at this point, pausing to emphasize what you are doing is the dramatic equivalent of a drum roll, and you will get much bigger reactions. Remember, the audience doesn't know what is coming next, so you can go wherever you need to in the routine to bring it to a successful conclusion. |
Ron Reid Inner circle Phoenix, Arizona 2732 Posts |
That's very good, Eric. I like that out a lot!
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MagicbyCarlo Inner circle has squandered his time making 1062 Posts |
The Block Link! I was having a mental block. I had the hardest time with this until I put some wrist into it. I still miss about a third of the time on the first try too, but I too use a script line about only the most skilled of the ninja masters being able to accomplish the nearly impossible "One Handed Scorpion Strike Technique"(TM)
It's funny how workers work around flubs and fumbles and actually prepare to fail. 'Cause you know it gonna happen at least once a night and you gotta be prepared
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T.House Loyal user 279 Posts |
Check out the Dan Fleshman version of this routine on his Restaurant Magic DVD number 3. He does not use the Spin link, although he does attempt the one-handed link (he gets it on the third try). I keep practicing the one-handed link at home, but will not do it in public until I am much more proficient. By the way, if you view the original demonstration of the Dan Fleshman routine at the end of the DVD (bonus material) you will note that at one point while attempting the one-handed link the single ring goes flying off - something you definitely do not want to happen at a restaurant table!
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EricHenning Loyal user Laurel, Maryland 218 Posts |
Speaking of the Ninja Rings, I had a Master Class with Shoot Ogawa, and he's not 100% either! He only got the tabled spin link on the third try and the one-handed link on the second try. And he used to demo it for a living.
So don't beat yourself up if you're not perfect. Always practice, always improve, always strive for perfect technique, but always prepare, just in case. Billy McComb, on his wonderful audio CD series "The Professional Touch," talks about thinking through everything that could possibly go wrong in a routine and creating an out before ever doing it for an audience. Good advice. |
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