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TeddyBoy Special user New York, NY 595 Posts |
My understanding is that the rationale of the cover pass is that the top card, remaining in place, obscures the movement of the top portion of the deck underneath it. Does this mean that the cover pass is meant to be done in the open and not with misdirection? I know that many use misdirection with the classic pass b/c it is hard to make it 'invisible.' But my understanding is that the cover pass is supposed to be invisible...but is it really? I know that mine will never be invisible. How do you perform the cover pass?
So many sleights...so little time.
"Slow...deliberate...natural." Bill Tarr Cheers, Teddy |
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The Burnaby Kid Inner circle St. John's, Canada 3158 Posts |
I've seen it done well enough that it can survive some scrutiny. One thing about misdirection: it doesn't always have to cover the entirety of a move.
JACK, the Jolly Almanac of Card Knavery, a free card magic resource for beginners.
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Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1503 Posts |
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On Nov 9, 2020, TeddyBoy wrote: Yes, the idea is the top card provides cover and when done well allows for more attention on the pack. Misdirection is always desirable when attempting a difficult move. Your attitude also helps belie the fact that something happened. The whole is nearly always greater than the sum of the parts.
It's never crowded on the extra mile....
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ssibal Veteran user 352 Posts |
No pass is invisible. Some variations have better angles than others but they all have deficiencies. At the end of the day, to successfully execute any variation you need to be well aware of the weak angles, have a relaxed demeanor, and use misdirection if possible.
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TeddyBoy Special user New York, NY 595 Posts |
Thanks to all. You seem to confirm what I was thinking. Tortuga, nothing "happened" since I am a mere hobbyist and do not perform. I was just concerned as to whether I was thinking in a reasonable manner. You guys seem to suggest I was and therefore my studying of these sleights is proceeding in the right direction.
So many sleights...so little time.
"Slow...deliberate...natural." Bill Tarr Cheers, Teddy |
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Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1503 Posts |
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On Nov 10, 2020, TeddyBoy wrote: I think you misunderstood that part. I was using you in the rhetorical sense. Attitude is key to many sleights. Some magicians invite scrutiny with their attitude or approach. I'm simply suggesting you be aware and try not to.
It's never crowded on the extra mile....
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SamChak Elite user 478 Posts |
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On Nov 10, 2020, TeddyBoy wrote: I frequently use a Double-Backer as the top card cover to allow the spectator staring at my hands. After performing the Cover Pass at my own pace (without triggering the twitching of finger and forearm muscles as commonly seen in the Classic Pass), I'll execute the Double Turnover to reveal the selection. This method enables me to insert the selection in the center of the deck and ambitiously control the selection to the top, repeatedly. |
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TeddyBoy Special user New York, NY 595 Posts |
I've studied Jason England's video as well as Richard Kaufman's and mechanically, prefer the Kaufman method. I also have read Ortiz's description in At the Card Table and got some good pointers. I just need to get more confidence.
So many sleights...so little time.
"Slow...deliberate...natural." Bill Tarr Cheers, Teddy |
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
I learned it from Maxwells description of Jennings' method.
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Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1503 Posts |
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On Nov 12, 2020, magicfish wrote: Looks pretty darned good to me.
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magicthree Special user 619 Posts |
Looked good from my end also.
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
Thanks fellas.
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Richard Kaufman Inner circle 2532 Posts |
There hasn't been a proper printed description of Jennings' method for The Cover Pass. My method is crap compared to his, which I've learned and now use regularly. Full details will be in "Mr. Jennings Takes it Tough." I think it's far far superior to any other method.
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
I'm very much looking forward to this Richard. It took me a long time to get the Maxwell description to work. At first I thought it was my hand size but then I just kept practicing until I felt like I had something close.
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Richard Kaufman Inner circle 2532 Posts |
The Jennings Cover Pass, which is what I now use, has not been properly explained before. I'll get to that in a few years.
There are now quite a few people who can do a Pass invisibly and these do not require any misdirection (getting people to look away from the deck). Jennings always preferred to use a Cover Pass for the control of a single card, and designed his routines around having the required card second from the top. Not so difficult. He did use a Classic Pass as well (quite a good one), but preferred the Cover Pass. NO cover is required for a Cover Pass. Zero. |
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The Burnaby Kid Inner circle St. John's, Canada 3158 Posts |
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On Jan 20, 2021, Richard Kaufman wrote: Well, you still need the card.
JACK, the Jolly Almanac of Card Knavery, a free card magic resource for beginners.
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Eric Evans Special user Rio Grande 668 Posts |
The top card cover pass is about as useless a move that was ever created by the “ingrown” (as Henry Hay called them, coining the term) school of card ridiculum has ever produced.
There’s a real world where people have better things to do than look at you holding a deck of cards with two hands for gods sake. |
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Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1503 Posts |
For many, magic is a hobby, not just something they do to entertain people. And many hobbyists love to study and learn a multitude of moves, many of which might not be the most practical in the "real world". So what? The only time they are "wasting" is their own, right?
It's never crowded on the extra mile....
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
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On Jan 21, 2021, Tortuga wrote: Exactly. I would even amend that to: "For most, magic is a hobby..." |
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