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TeddyBoy
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I have been reading about this sleight in three sources: Expert Card Technique, in Hugard and Braue's 1946 booklet and Giobbi's version in Card College IV. And, of course I have given it my best shot. With respect to the "invisibility", my issue is that I am still not sure if (1) this pass is meant to be invisible because the movements leading up to the pass cannot be seen, or whether (2) the "invisibility" is COMPLETELY conferred by the move simply looking like you are innocuously turning the deck over. Frankly, I cannot envision the first; i.e., I cannot imagine that all of these moves are actually invisible unless you have giant hands. What is your opinion?

I've not seen it performed; any good videos illustrating this move?

Is Hugard and Braue's move very different from the Hermann Pass? Which is easier?

Thanks for your attention.
So many sleights...so little time.
Cheers,

Ted
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On Nov 19, 2020, TeddyBoy wrote:
I have been reading about this sleight in three sources: Expert Card Technique, in Hugard and Braue's 1946 booklet and Giobbi's version in Card College IV. And, of course I have given it my best shot. With respect to the "invisibility", my issue is that I am still not sure if (1) this pass is meant to be invisible because the movements leading up to the pass cannot be seen, or whether (2) the "invisibility" is COMPLETELY conferred by the move simply looking like you are innocuously turning the deck over. Frankly, I cannot envision the first; i.e., I cannot imagine that all of these moves are actually invisible unless you have giant hands. What is your opinion?

I've not seen it performed; any good videos illustrating this move?

Is Hugard and Braue's move very different from the Hermann Pass? Which is easier?

Thanks for your attention.


Invisible is the word they chose. I wouldn't have chosen it, but maybe it created more interest. I would have called it the undetectable turnover pass or something like that because done properly you cannot see and would not even suspect that anything happened other than turning the pack over. If yours doesn't look like that, you need more practice or need to go through the instruction again. Don't expect to master it in a weekend, although with the proper teacher even that is possible.

As much as I am against tutorials on youtube, I have to direct you to Alex Pandrea's channel. He explains the turnover pass in detail, minute detail and he does it exceptionally well. At least he does a great job on his tutorials and to my knowledge doesn't reveal anything that he shouldn't such as currently marketed effects and such.
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Thank you Tortuga. I thought that might be the case. I will check out the video. Thanks again.
So many sleights...so little time.
Cheers,

Ted
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The action of the forefinger and pinky is what makes all the difference in the pass described in the booklet. The pass looks like a turnover pass. Alex's ideas aren't as angle-proof. There's a tip in Luka's M.I.N.T book that also makes it better for me.

They over-sell it but studying it was worthwhile for me. Its also obviously a turnover pass, the external reality is that you're turning the deck over.
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On Nov 20, 2020, TeddyBoy wrote:
I've not seen it performed; any good videos illustrating this move?


Hi Ted,

Have you seen the Herrmann Pass performed by Jason England?

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science."

~ Albert Einstein ~
US (German-born) physicist (1879 - 1955)
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No I haven't Sam although I have been thinking about it. Frankly, I was let down by his video on the cover pass.
So many sleights...so little time.
Cheers,

Ted
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No worries, Ted. You can look into the tutorial on the Turnover Pass taught by Cody Nottingham.



The learning materials are also accessible on Magic Stream.
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science."

~ Albert Einstein ~
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The 'Invisible Turnover Pass' is also written up in 'The Card Magic of LePaul'by Lepaul.
An excellent book & it's where I learnt the move. Is it invisible? Well I've done the move under heat in front of live audiences literally well over 3 decades. With a camera focused on my hands, you might catch the move perhaps. But the secret is....to do it smoothly with confidence, and no one will catch on.
Practice & practice. But eventually you have to do it in front of a live audience. And after many many times you realise that it does work and as your confidence with the move develops.....even if you don't quite get it right, it still flies Smile Thus invisible.
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Thanks again Sam. Will definitely check it out. Also, excellent advice Zauberman. I hope I get up to the point of trying these moves out.
So many sleights...so little time.
Cheers,

Ted
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Zauberman, you made such excellent points that they are worth repeating!

1. Practice and practice!
2. Smoothly, and with confidence (or, I would say, with nonchalance).
3. Eventually you have to do it for a live audience.
4. As you experience success, your confidence will grow.

This is universally good advice for just about ANY card move (or coin move, for that matter); thanks for saying it!
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Thanks Joe. I am working on it as I write.
So many sleights...so little time.
Cheers,

Ted
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