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When I was 8-9 years old I was fascinated by the world of magic by this one trick Smile

I saw a magician show his hands empty. Then he showed a silk scarf, put it in his hand and after a few movements over the closed hand, the silk scarf was gone !!! 😃

I've been through card magic, spongeballs and street magic but really miss the good old classics!

I have now searched a bit different places but only Seem to find "cheap" sets of this trick?

My question to you:

Which TT is best suited for this number and also the size of the silk scarf? The "cheap" sets usually have a very small silk scarf?

What do you use and which webshops would you recommend?

Best magic greetings

Xander
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Try https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view......695473#0

other threads can be found by using the search engine. I entered "vanish large silk" to find that and many others.

But specific techniques should not be discussed in an open forum. When you get 50 posts you can go "down under' and get specific help.

I have often used the Hull Method to vanish a 24" silk and a color changing steamer.
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Thanks for your answer funsway, it has not crossed my mind with the 50 posts. I've been a little on and off here at the Café the last few years. I Understand.

Again thank you very much for your answer 🙂

Best wishes

Xander
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Hi Xander--the vanishing silk handkerchief is an old classic that also left a tremendous impression on me as a kid. I remember watching a magician on the Merv Griffin Show perform this with a red silk. I have spent many years thinking and working on this one effect.

I would advise you to put away the TT. You want to vanish a silk that's at least 18 inches, and that's too big for a TT. You should also study Volume 1 of Rice's Encyclopedia of Silk Magic. There is a chapter devoted to just vanishes. My final thought is get really adept with a hank ball. A basic model without the thumb loop on it. The hank ball is the way to go.
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For vanishing a silk in a TT the two best sizes are 9" square or 12" Diamond Cut (Looks like an 18" square but takes the space of a 9" square).

We still have 11 colors of the 12" Diamond Cuts in stock (These are the real diamond cuts with all four edges equal. Knock offs do not have 4 equal edges and ends up with TWO UNMATCHED center corners, a high one and low one.) There will be no more of the good ones when these are gone. The manufacturer changed businesses away from silk products. (LOL --- They now assemble refrigerators.)
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I will second Leo's recommendation. The hank ball is such a great item to have in your arsenal.

Here is some info that you will find helpful:

https://laflinmagicstore.com/collections......tion-dvd
https://laflinmagicstore.com/collections......eals-dvd
https://laflinmagicstore.com/collections......-dvd-set
https://laflinmagicstore.com/collections......-tip-dvd

Mark
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On Nov 20, 2020, xandermagic wrote:

Which TT is best suited for this number and also the size of the silk scarf? The "cheap" sets usually have a very small silk scarf?



I have to agree with one of the previous posts that a hank ball (or palmo ball) is a superior way to vanish and reproduce a silk handkerchief (or use a pull to vanish, then reproduce a duplicate). For me , the one version that is better with a TT (or a FT) is the Elusive Handkerchief Vanish , found in the Rice Encyclopedia of Silk Magic Vol 1 , Chapter 8. It allows you to vanish an 18" or 24" silk handkerchief. Looks much more impressive than vanishing a tiny 9" handkerchief, imo.

If you want to use the TT to vanish a small handkerchief (9" , or 12" if you use thin silk or a diagonal cut silk) I would recommend getting the video by Alexander De Cova called "Examining the TT" , and look at his handling for vanishing a silk and reproducing it from a coin purse. It's not a novel effect as such, but it is De Cova's naturalistic handling of the gimmick that should be studied and learned. It will throw off those who think they know about the TT. https://magikraft.com/examining-the-thum......n-lewis/
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Which TT, none, it was a Vanishing Handkerchief pull. The old metal aluminum pulls would hold an 18" silk hank. Being you said Old Classic, there was no TT until Vernet that could vanish a silk. Before Vernet, there was aluminum stamped small TT's. No silk would fit in them, not even a 9 inch. It was advertised for the Cigarette Through Handkerchief, effect, but the cig. vanished in the end.

The problem with the TT is that it depends on your Thumb. My Thumb fits a Vernet TT exactly. It match every skin wrinkle I have. It is like they used my Thumb to make the mold.

So the best way to purchase a TT is to go to a magic store, and see if the one's they carry fit your thumb.
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On Dec 3, 2020, Bill Hegbli wrote:
Being you said Old Classic, there was no TT until Vernet that could vanish a silk. Before Vernet, there was aluminum stamped small TT's. No silk would fit in them, not even a 9 inch. It was advertised for the Cigarette Through Handkerchief, effect, but the cig. vanished in the end.


I was doing some research on a subtlety that Ade Duval used in his silk production and found that it was based on a TT silk vanish from the late 1920s. Interestingly, it was common that a small TT was used in silk vanishes to give the impression that a large silk was in a hand when in fact it was not. The idea of using a small piece of silk in a short TT as a decoy has fallen completely out of usage. I've tried it twice and it produces gasps when the "final corner" of silk is drawn into the fist and it is then opened with the silk gone. This is with rolled up sleeve, away from body, and one-handed.
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Perhaps at the tender age of 75 with 60+ years of performing magic, it is time an old guy gave up one of his best secrets.

My best gimmick for vanishing a silk is my ceramic gimmicked egg from Silk to Egg. I use the brown one. I'd rather be caught with an egg than any other gimmick. Mine will hold a 24" silk. (It will also hold 6 of the 2" sponge balls for that routine.)

In most of my shows I combine Silk to Egg with the 20th Century Silk. It solves two problems at once.

Bob
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The idea of using a small piece of silk in a short TT as a decoy has fallen completely out of usage. I've tried it twice and it produces gasps when the "final corner" of silk is drawn into the fist and it is then opened with the silk gone. This is with rolled up sleeve, away from body, and one-handed.


That is the Hull Method discussed above.
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That is the Hull Method discussed above.


Thank you. I missed the reference, apparently twice!
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Frank are you referring to Rice's Elusive Hank effect?

I still have a couple of the old, very short TT's for the Cig-Thru- Handkerchief. Really, they can't hold any kind of silk, except maybe a 2" piece.

P&L finally came out with a metal TT that could hold maybe a 9", but you really have to jam the silk in to keep it from popping out.
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That is the Hull Method discussed above.


Thank you. I missed the reference, apparently twice!


as aside thought, this technique can also be used switching a large silk for other effects such as Blendo.
The key is that the visual end of the silk has the audience 'know' it is still in hand and provides directed focus
away from the sneaky other hand. I have done "mismade flag" without a change bag.
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Frank are you referring to Rice's Elusive Hank effect?


Apparently, though I didn't connect the dots at first!

I was doing some research into history of Ade Duval's A Rhapsody In Silk routine. As I am sure you know, he used the approach for a convincer similar to how funsway described. This led me down a rabbit hole into the 20th Century Silk. Turns out that was arguably the most popular stage/parlor trick of the time. And a common way to perform it was to tie the two silks together, place them into a wine glass on table (with w**l), stuff silk in left hand with only corner popping out, pick up wand from table, push corner with wand into hand, open hand showing silk gone, tap glass with wand, pull out silk showing vanished silk between two.

It didn't occur to me that this method of vanishing a silk in turn evolved from The Elusive Silk which made a huge splash in the 1910s. In the 1920s there were many articles about using the FT gimmick from The Elusive Silk in other routines. For example, here is an excerpt from a May 1924 Sphinx:

"ANOTHER COMBINATION WITH THE ELUSIVE SILK
By Euclide A. Laramee

While reading the March Sphinx I saw an effect where the elusive silk played a good part. Now I have been using one that never fails to go good which I am glad to pass on for you boys to give the once over.

Effect is as follows:
...
[Clipped]
...
Writer has used it over and over and never failed to make a hit. Let's have more combinations in which the elusive silk is one of the main points. The Sphinx is just the magazine to show the different combinations with the elusive silk."

By 1929 the FT gimmick was almost completely displaced by a TT variation. And ultimately that is what became popular method for 20th Century Silk, replacing the Silk Wand with cone deployed earlier.

Wow, what a journey. Thanks to all you for the inspiration.

By the way, I also learned that you would send in a trace with mail order to get the FT gimmick of propper fit to you. The Elusive Silk cost $1 in 1915 which is equivalent to $25 today, not a cheap item! Surprised that some entrepreneurial online magic shop doesn't run same service for TTs today.
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