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I love this so much. 2020's been hard money wise but this seems hard to pass up.

Lenz's Law is such a cool science demonstration, but bringing out a metal tube seems so limiting. This prop seems organic, spooky, and allows a magical demonstration without a high school science teacher vibe.
I haven't purchased this yet so this isn't a review, but it seems like you could really get some good story telling in with this.
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You can never go wrong with bones.... hmmm.... I should dig up my Bone of the Elders from the crypt and consider making an entire series of Fossilized Fragments of Fear presentation (alliteration how I love you). Props of Prof BC are always Best of Class... and these look to be as always so nicely made!
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Very keen on this new offering. Really creative and simply exciting.
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Too bad the good professor didn't check with me first. I have a bunch of real human femur bones in the back room. Not everything will grind in the cremation process. Just remember the femur bone is connected to the knee bone.
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On Dec 21, 2020, weepinwil wrote:
Too bad the good professor didn't check with me first. I have a bunch of real human femur bones in the back room. Not everything will grind in the cremation process. Just remember the femur bone is connected to the knee bone.


You might want to do a quick inventory check Harold, they do look remarkably realistic. I’m just saying.
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Too bad the good professor didn't check with me first. I have a bunch of real human femur bones in the back room. Not everything will grind in the cremation process. Just remember the femur bone is connected to the knee bone.


You might want to do a quick inventory check Harold, they do look remarkably realistic. I’m just saying.


They do, but fake ones taste funny when you lick them. Sort of similar to the taste a clown leaves in your mouth when you eat them. That is why cannibles never eat clowns.
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I too am so excited about this!
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Excited to hear at least one type of effect got this, although I know it sounds quite adaptable to theme, style, persons, etc.
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Prof BC's Ossuary will go live on 9th January at 1800 GMT (1300 EST)

Just head over to the Lebanon Circle store and the page will magically appear long enough for 70 lucky customers to grab a copy before it vanishes forever!

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I really love the look of and idea behind this, and it would complement my Bone of the Elders really well!
However, let me play devil's advocate for a moment - I love the creativity that went into this and I am guessing it is not that easy to produce and I am all for supporting the small businesses in our community, but this time I have difficulties to retrace the pricing?
Don't get me wrong, I know I don't have to buy this, but I would like to, hence my question.
Once again, this is no offensive, just a question...
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These props look super high quality, all Prof BC magic seems amazing, hope to own something he created one day.
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On Jan 7, 2021, Skeleton wrote:
I really love the look of and idea behind this, and it would complement my Bone of the Elders really well!
However, let me play devil's advocate for a moment - I love the creativity that went into this and I am guessing it is not that easy to produce and I am all for supporting the small businesses in our community, but this time I have difficulties to retrace the pricing?
Don't get me wrong, I know I don't have to buy this, but I would like to, hence my question.
Once again, this is no offensive, just a question...


It is a fair question.

Pricing is always difficult for me, so I tell Dan what my products cost me to produce (out-of-pocket expense) as well as the time it took to develop, design, and build (in this instance, over four months of almost constant work). Like any theatre production, the audience never sees the months of work and expense that go into creating a 'simple' set that the audience merely accepts as real and ignores. What you do not see in the kit is the handmade moulds I had to produce for the castings, the specialty equipment (degassing chambers, pressure casting chambers) that I had to buy and have installed for this effect (and, admittedly, the next, which is to be a set of hand-cast bookends to go with my Doppelganger effect), and the engineering required to fit the required equipment into the confines of a human femur (how I wish I could take a bow for that, but there was no one here on the day of that particular triumph back in September). I was able, on a good day, to produce 3 femurs. I made 75 (not counting the numbers of failures and prototypes before reaching a final, working design). Each trinket box took 7 hours to cast, cure, degate, trim, prep, and age). I made 225 (not counting again the ones that did not come out of the mould right). All of this I did myself. I had the m****ts specially made to exacting specifications, which cost a lot in consulting time and real money. I had the wooden container boxes custom made by a carpenter and am even today (were I not admittedly procrastinating to write this--for which I thank you sincerely!) ageing and staining at a rate of one every 25 minutes--with 85 to do. The time to design each item I do not include. The arithmetic is apparent, particularly when you consider that I am truly a one-person operation. No assistance, no help but what I commission and pay for. Just me.

In the end, Dan considers my effort and expense, evaluates my workmanship and the effect itself (the performance manual takes time to develop and write, too), and then he suggests the price at which he thinks it should sell. I then ask him to sell it for about 3/4 of that, sometimes 1/2.

As I say, pricing is always difficult for me. You paint a picture, what do you sell it for? The cost of paint and canvas? The time you spent creating it on an hourly basis? The calculation of what your paintings fetch on the secondary market? The amount a person is willing to pay for it? I honestly do not know.

I am regularly asked if it bothers me that people often turn around and sell my works for as much as twice what I charged originally. My answer is always the same: I receive what I consider a fair price. If someone later sells it for considerably more than he spent (especially in these times when finding extra money can make all the difference), I am in fact delighted.

Bear in mind also that on a day such as today, when I am spending fourteen hours in a dank, cold workshop feverishly rushing to complete everything for Saturday's launch, I am not only bordering on exhaustion but fear as well. I have no guarantee that even one will sell, let alone the relatively high percentage of units that will mark my break-even point (never mind profit!) Unlike many creators, I do not ask for orders or seed money up front and ask you to wait until I build your piece. I take the risk of creating a number of high-end (and expensive-to-produce) pieces wholly on speculation. This way, your item is in your hands as soon as the carrier can deliver it. You are buying an item that is ready-to-ship, and you can track that shipment practically from the moment you pay for your piece. I consider this good customer service.

Years ago, I broke with Outlaw when I saw the shoddy way it was beginning to treat its customers and moved to Lebanon Circle because Dan is scrupulously honest. When I did, I vowed to myself never to play that Ponzi scheme game that Outlaw played of taking new money to fulfill old orders (until it finally caught up with him). And, as Caesar's wife must be above suspicion, I cannot in good conscience take money for an item that I have not yet made.

So, what you are paying for is all of this plus, perhaps of equal importance, a prop and effect unique in the world (I will never make more than 75, which are in fact now already made, nor sell more than 70 of those--nor allow anyone else to license and make my pieces).

You are also paying for something that goes along with every magic trick: the secret. In this case, I have made clear what makes the prop work (Lenz's Law and the Faraday Law of Induction), but what no one knows is how I have used these scientific principles to create magic. You are in this regard also paying for dozens of handlings, routines, subtleties, and scripts that accompany the props--insights & ideas unavailable with any other magic effect on earth because they are unique to me and these props.

You are right to ask about price. No need to apologise. It is your money, and I am keenly aware of that fact. I pledge to do now and going forward that which I have always done: create boutique magic that fulfills the expectation of bizarre magic performers and connoisseurs.

I thank you, most sincerely, for asking and giving me this opportunity to explain.

BC
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Prof BC, as an oil painter artist meself, I so appreciate your expression in detail of the Ossuary price question issue, etc. No question in my mind of its value.
As I am on a budget fence though in terms of the Ossuary versus the intriguing forthcoming bookends (seemingly perfect for my nearly complete number of Dopps collection) could you please (when you get a few moments) provide a brief more detailed description of the overall bookend creation?
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Sent you a PM, Bill.
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Of course, I can not currently afford this but not because it is too high priced but because the money isn't available for it. After reading the price explanation I appreciate more all the work that wentinto this creation and can not imagine the tedious hours spent and frustration with the failures. I must commend those who have such patience.
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On Jan 7, 2021, PROF BC wrote:

You are right to ask about price. No need to apologise. It is your money, and I am keenly aware of that fact. I pledge to do now and going forward that which I have always done: create boutique magic that fulfills the expectation of bizarre magic performers and connoisseurs.

I thank you, most sincerely, for asking and giving me this opportunity to explain.

BC


Wow, thank you so much for this detailed information and explanation, I already thought that a lot of work had gone into this - but what you decribed exceeds all my conceptions!

So I am even more tempted now, but as aforementioned money is very tight at the moment...

Well, I will see what I can do, but I wish you by all means all the success possible!
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Sent you a PM, Bill.


Maybe misdirected? I did not get pm yet, Prof BC!
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I wouldn't have been able to afford it either, but I just won my Fantasy Football League Super Bowl and am rubbing my hands in gleeful anticipation.
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On Jan 7, 2021, PROF BC wrote:
Sent you a PM, Bill.

Send me a PM to please.

Best regards,

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Bill, it probably went to your other profile (DocBen) that Prof BC was responding to, instead of your DocBenWiz profile that you are using now...

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On Jan 7, 2021, PROF BC wrote:
Sent you a PM, Bill.


Maybe misdirected? I did not get pm yet, Prof BC!
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