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Christian & Katalina
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Hey guys,
Me and a friend have started a Magic Business Podcast. I would like to get some feedback on our format. Upfront, I will share that we wanted these to be short and to the point. Nobody cares when you learned your first magic trick or when you did your first show. We wanted these to be about specific markets, life styles, and what you need to get started, formats. We want to cover as many subjects as possible. We want to cover everything from Tradeshows to SEO to Cruise Ships to daily routines, etc

We don't want to cover magic tricks or reviews or history. This will be laser aimed at the Business of Magic.

We look forward to your feedback.

Here is where they are:Click Here

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I've really gotten into Podcasts during the Pandemic. You've got an impressive list of guests. Looking forward to listening and will give you some feedback.
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Great idea and love the topics you are covering. I have already subscribed. Thanks for sharing.
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I've listened to the ones on Street Performing, Trade Shows, and Restaurants. Overall they're great and I've subscribed and have downloaded a bunch for later.

The production value is great. Audio is crisp and clear. Levels are good. Often that's so hard with online/phone call guests, but you nail it.

I like the focus on the business aspects. And it's not really "business" but I'd say it's more like "Operations" in that you're not just talking about leads, selling, etc. But how the day goes, what it's like in those venues, and how things operate overall.

In all three it's asked about how much money is made, and all three never give concrete answer (to be fair, there's so much variation, there is not a concrete answer). But with Harrison Carol on trade shows, he stated he's been retired and seemed like his answers were outdated It would be nice to learn more about finances; get more specifics on rates (besides saying it varies by city). Also, some discussion about costs...what are the outlays for the various venues. It was mentioned trade shows need sound system...how much is that? A table? Etc.

It's admirable you want to keep the podcasts short. But seems like guests are just getting into it when time runs out. Kozmo could have gone for much longer, as could Harrison. (Though you did ask Harison if he'd like to return...which happy to hear him say yes.) As long as you have follow ups, it'll be great.

Also love the "what's the question folks should be asking?" That's a unique twist and you've been getting some great answers on that.

Thanks for putting these on. Looking forward to listening to many more!
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I'm glad some others have responded as I didn't want to be the first to respond andd skew others perceptions or prevent them from doing so. The great news is the magic community needs something like this so bad, the problem is it is for magicians, lol. Most of the magic community only is interested in tricks and everything else but business and operations.

The truth is those that need it the most won't be interested unfortunately as we regulary see here. Those that will be will immediately see the value of this and will likely want to go deeper and will not be able to get enough of it. For those this will be great.

Hats off to Christian for doing this. Personally I would like to see them more detailed, in-depth, and longer, but for whatever reason he wants them to be shorter.

I have been doing my Entertainment Business Success podcast for 3 years now (this is a paid subscription podcast, by member application only so it is a little different) and I have found interests are very deep as are the subjects.

Kudos to Christian for doing this, as I hope he targets and finds his audience. Very few truly understand the true live entertainment business. The problem I always see with podcasts like this (and similar summits like the thread here about David DiVinci's) is the guests all can only tell their story and how they did/do it. While maybe interesting to some, these begin to be much the same quickly and these I find less valuable rather than learning from an industry perspective, education and understanding. Most are magician's telling other magicians how or what to do. As others have stated here before, these are less valuable in the greater picture and do not always translate to most other magicians that try to follow due to the many variables.

Christian is a great interviewer which is missing from so many in today's everybody-thinks-they-can-do-a-podcast world. I think he will find good guests and maintain the quality of this. If done right and it's be more than just magicians talking to other magicians, but rather be about performer and entertainer business operations, it could be great. Best of luck Christian!
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Hello Everyone,
Thanks for the feedback so far. I probably should give you a little background on what we are tying to accomplish. Roland Sarlot is the other 50% on this project. He does the editing and all the computer stuff. He also will do a few of the interviews. Roland is a professional magician out of AZ. He and his wife have a fantastic show they perform together. We decided to do this podcast with the idea of producing what didn't exist when we first started out. That is, a place to learn the fundamentals of the magic business.

Why did we choose to make the podcast 20 to 30 minutes?

Most podcasts seem to run too long and much of those podcasts are full of fat. People talking about when they learned their first magic trick or what kind of coffee they drink seems unimportant to the actual material that most people want to learn. We want the listener to get right into the important material and hang on for dear life. Also, we want the podcast short enough so you can listen to them on your way to work, while you go on a run, or while you are taking a break from your day. We don't want a two hour podcast where you have to make an appointment just to listen to it.

Material

We want to introduce the listener to as many types of markets as we can, Cruise Ship, Trade Show, Children's, Street Performing, and on and on. We aren't trying to teach you how to do those markets. We aren't a magic course. We want the listener to get a solid understanding of what a market will be like and then they can decided if they want to learn more about it. IMGIC, you mentioned that you got a good feeling of what it will feel like to do that job day to day. Perfect, that is what we are going for. We also will be adding a second or part 2 for many of the podcasts that will go into more detail about how to get started in that market. But, we won't go too deep as these are not trying to be a magic course. That's just not realistic goal. We will endeavor to recommend courses or books for you to further your education.

Future Material

We are also looking at including subjects like Internet Marketing, Email lists, SEO, Following up on leads, etc. (Please let us know if these subjects would be of interest)

Additionally another aspect we are playing with is show improvement. Things like Hiring a director, Show Structure, lighting, microphones, Creating a Character, etc (again let us know if you think this would be interesting)

MindPro, We are shooting for a leaving the wanting more kind of thing. Also, we would rather send them to good solid courses rather than become a course. We just want to be a gateway of knowledge. The first couple of steps so to speak.

Thanks guys. Keep the comments coming. I will try to answer all.
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Smart....you wouldn't want some street performer like Kozmo just rambling on. The guy wont shut up..... seriously Smile
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So far this has been going very well...but...I need some feedback from you guys to make it better. This is a podcast on the business of magic.

Tell me what you like
Tell me what you don't like
Tell me what subject you would like to hear about
Tell me who you would like to hear.
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I just hit subscribe. I own two other businesses. both are doing great during the pandemic. All my shows were canceled in March 2020, I am sure like most. I am in a phase where I am either not going to continue on performing, or I am going to double down and hit this harder than ever. I haven't decided which direction I am headed. Maybe this podcast will inspire me in one direction, or the other.

BTW Mindpro was my coach for a long while. He is awesome. Good to see you Mindpro!
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Great hearing from you! What? You are considering not continuing to perform? No, that's crazy. I hope you decide otherwise.

I think many part-timers or occasional performers are doing this, but I still believe we will be experiencing a would of new opportunities as we come out of this and on the other side of this.

Yes, I still have been coaching, consulting, training, and producing for many over the last year during the pandemic. It has been crazy. Between performers wanting to do virtual shows (my kind, not the typical magician's virtual or zoom shows), and those that see the opportunities coming out of this and have wanted to clean up their business approach and operations while positioning themselves for what will be coming, it has been a very exciting and fulfilling year and I expect the same moreso for 2021.

I always believed you were in a great area for many of the things we discussed and you were working on. Glad to hear your other businesses are also thriving. I have been working with more and more entrepreneurs outside of entertainment over the few years and it too has been crazy good. While people tend or hear and focus on the negative, many have done very well during the pandemic. So much has to do with your outlook and approach.

Thanks for the kind words.
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100% my performing business took a nose dive and my others thrived. It is all about seeing opportunity. I have absolutely no doubt new and very fruitful opportunities are out there right now, if we know where to look and how to take advantage. I think that is what I am getting at. I am either going to find those opportunities and go after them, or I am just going to focus on my other businesses. I hope to always perform, but it might not be as big of focus post pandemic, if that is what I decide. Hopefully that makes sense.
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Absolutely. We each must do what's best for ourselves, our businesses, and our families. Balance is an often not discussed factor for successful entrepreneurs.
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Most entrepreneurs don't even understand the word balance, let alone discuss it.
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On Feb 1, 2021, Christian & Katalina wrote:
So far this has been going very well...but...I need some feedback from you guys to make it better. This is a podcast on the business of magic.

Tell me what you like
Tell me what you don't like
Tell me what subject you would like to hear about
Tell me who you would like to hear.


It's always amazed me and been very odd how the magic community doesn't like to seem to want to admit to faults, problems, areas of struggle, and as Danny has posted about before - failures.

I know Christian and his partner are dedicated to working on and showcasing the business side of magic. This is a great opportunity to have direct input on the topics and areas you like to see discussed or featured, areas you have yet to pursue, obstacles you seem to have, or even just some of the basics for those new to performing professionally.

I would think that with what we have all been forced to deal with and the hit many of our businesses have taken, this is a great place and time for discussions as we approach and tackle the new year.
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OH if you want to discuss failure CALL ME! LOL.

All joking aside it seems that most magic "fans" or whatever you want to call those who like magic but do not perform for a living are more interested in fantasy land success than the real nuts and bolts of what you can actually learn from spectacular failure. Success COMES from failure in many if not most cases. You see it here all the time. Younglings all energetic about a new project that they are in no way prepared for, touting how much of a HUGE success it will be and change the industry forever. Many here just unconditionally supportive no matter how crazy the idea. Then when it falls apart they NEVER come back and do a post mortem to figure out where they went wrong. Heck it is sad. It is WORSE when the older do it! But it SURE is common here isn't it? I never understood why that was?

I am at a stage in my life where I simply do not participate in failure any more. It took me 20 years before I could make that claim. The journey to that claim is interesting if you really want to know about business. If you just are a "magic fan" then it is boring as can be.
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