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Going through some old notes from my "move-junkie" days, I came across this reference to the Zingone Table Pass. I worked on the Zingone Table pass as explained in Expert Card Technique many, many years ago, when I was a young man. I found the pass as explained in "Expert," to be too open and exposed to my liking and was more for magician demo purposes than for under fire use, primarily because Zingone was a magician and not a hustler. However, I made some modifications and, in my opinion, developed a very deceptive in the hands "ho" from all angles that stood up very well under fire also which might be of interest to some of the card men who visit this sight.

The method of transposing the two halves of the deck in Zingone is different and somewhat better than the standard shift and can be made to approximate simply squaring up the cards.

I don't do demos and have no intention of making a YouTube video to show what I am discussing here, but here are some brief comments for those who understand what I am saying and make the extra effort to excel at or perfect this move.

Keep in mind I am right-handed and hold the deck for dealing in my left hand, so on the cut, I pick up the deck with my right hand and place it in my left hand. After placing the deck in the left hand, the transposition occurs, or it can occur shortly thereafter depending on the circumstances.

When the deck is cut, I pick up the original bottom half by placing my right forefinger close to the upper left corner and this half is placed on top of the remaining tabled portion. This new top portion is jogged slightly to the left and when the cards are placed in my left hand, the jogged portion goes into my left thumb crevice, but the cards go back deeper into the hand. The reason being is if you do not keep the cards deeply in the hand at this point, the portion of the top half deck that is visible becomes a full deck after the shift and that makes no sense for deception purposes and must be concealed.

The original bottom half on the pickup is jogged slightly to the right and that half is lodged between the middle and right ring finger of the right hand, right up to the juncture of fingers and hand, so it is well covered. This gives a good grip on both halves of the deck with a lot of cover. Move the hands from right to left to deal the first card to first base and as you square up the cards during that move you do the Zingone pass maneuver on this movement.

When done smoothly and adroitly, this is an extremely deceptive in the hands hop and I have seen many hops that do not even compare. This move is covered from all card table angles and is as deceptive as any in the hands hop can be in my opinion.

Keep in mind my intent always had to be with working with moves that were practical and deceptive under fire rather than for the sake of just learning a move. But individual members who have an interest will have to figure it out some of the minute details to make it workable for themselves. I am not charging for this information and have no intent to Pablum feed those who only want free stuff without effort. However, this really is an exceptionally good hop, at least as far as this type thing goes.

Of course, hopping the cut in a tough game is never a good idea, but for many situations this is okay especially for demos to bring a stack or setup into the deal when performing a demo when the cards must be hopped secretly to make the demo work.
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Hopping the cut immediately after the cut is not the best time to do it; the best time to do it in my experience is after the first round has been dealt; when the players’ eyes and minds are on their hands as opposed to the dealers. In certain games like Kalooki, the mechanics of the hope are very simple and practical. In magic, magicians often create such moments with misdirection to do passes etcetera but what I am talking about here is a moment that occurs naturally in card games. Players eyes are not like fixed camera angles; players eyes and minds are on different things at different moments.
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Tommy makes a good point.
In many games, after the deal has been completed, the players are looking at their cards or towards the first player to act. Then, in the action of placing the deck on the table, the shift can be done.
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On Dec 21, 2020, tommy wrote:

Hopping the cut immediately after the cut is not the best time to do it; the best time to do it in my experience is after the first round has been dealt; when the players' eyes and minds are on their hands as opposed to the dealers.


I would think the best time to hop the cut would depend on the game being played, what the hustler is trying to accomplish and the psychological deception factor.

In the real world of hustling, distractions are set up at key times during the play. One never should just blindly does a move without considering the pacing of the game, the alertness of the players, when they relax their gaze, how subtle the distractions may be and so on.

Called grift sense. Smile
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Hops, in reality, are not invisible but doing them immediately after the cut is an excellent way of getting nailed.
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Hops, in reality, are not invisible but doing them immediately after the cut is an excellent way of getting nailed.


Thanks for the heads up on this. I was wondering why I was getting so much heat on my deal. Smile

By the way, the purpose of m post was simply show how the Zingone could be made more deceptive, not to promote the concept of hopping the cut.

As I have mentioned many times in the past, the use of manipulative moves in higher level play is mostly passé, with a few exceptions of course.

There are always exceptions. Smile
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It is much appreciated. As I recall, Ed Marlow created his Easy Pass from the Zingone Table Shift, which seems is a bit odd because in magic lingo a Shift and Pass are opposite things. Perhaps he did in reverse. I will have to look into it.
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The reason I use the terminology shift and pass is because this is basically a magician and hobbyist site and those are the terms they use.

Among hustlers, this type maneuver is called a Hop.
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The Hop term, unlike the Shift and Pass terms, does not tell one which way around the move is made and so the magic terms, in this case, are technically better the hustler's term.
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The Hop term, unlike the Shift and Pass terms, does not tell one which way around the move is made and so the magic terms, in this case, are technically better the hustler's term.


I immediately emailed some top hustlers with this information, guys who have been making significant money over the years, and they were all very impressed to learn their terminology was not as good as magician/hobbyist's terminology. They don't know how they could have made all this money and been successful at what they do without this esoteric knowledge. So...the bottom line is the very best are now going to use magician/hobbyist terminology from now on. Smile
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Non the wiser, perhaps, Cag, but certainly better informed.

It is surprising how many do not know the difference between a pass and a shift.

SWE may have been the first to use the term shift and so you better get back on the blower and inform the fraternity.


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Am I bluffing?
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Are the hustlers operating in the North or the South pole?
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Are the hustlers operating in the North or the South pole?


They are all flocking to Birmingham, England so they can be around those highly informed and in the know card men.

By the way, what is the difference between a pass, shift and hop. I can't believe I don't know the difference after all these years and I always look to become more knowledgeable about the most important work with cards. Once I am informed as to this difference, I will become unstoppable and no doubt become invited to all the magician and "expert" card men groups in the North and South poles.

Seems like The Gambling Spot has become a place where only tommy and I post back and forth to each other.
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A Pass is where one moves the top to the bottom. A Shift is where one moves the bottom to the top. It all depends on which side of the equator one is operating in.
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[Seems like The Gambling Spot has become a place where only tommy and I post back and forth to each other.


My Grandpa always told me “ It is better to keep your mouth shut and let people think that you’re stupid, than to open it and remove all doubt! “

However, I do enjoy reading the posts on The Gambling Spot!
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My Grandpa always told me "It is better to keep your mouth shut and let people think that you're stupid, than to open it and remove all doubt!"


Was you grandpa referring to you?
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On Dec 28, 2020, jkr wrote:

My Grandpa always told me "It is better to keep your mouth shut and let people think that you're stupid, than to open it and remove all doubt!"


Was you grandpa referring to you?
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Most definitely!
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A Pass is where one moves the top to the bottom. A Shift is where one moves the bottom to the top.


WOW. Now that is worth knowing.
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On Dec 30, 2020, tommy wrote:
Https://decemberboys.com.ua/en/tutorials/erdnase-shift/#:~:text=Somewhat%20similar%20to%20a%20backwards%20Charlier%20cut%2C%20the,an%20element%20of%20a%20one%20handed%20cardistry%20combo.


That's even better. Now I am fully armed to do magic tricks. Smile
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