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I was just going to post that story because I just remembered that we forgot to tell that one. We could start a mindreading act. But I do have another short one. A friend in the Detroit area saw David at a lecture, and of course it was great, but one thing he mentioned was a trick I never saw David do that involved coins vanishing and reappearing in a "bullet bag". Not sure what a bullet bag is, or anything. I think he also used a chop stick for a wand, if I remember my friend's description. Maybe someone saw this item from his more recent lectures.
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This item? https://www.naturalexotics.com/dark-brow......bag.aspx

He used a chopstick as a wand in an item he performed on the Penn & Teller show.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Can't remember where I saw David discussing the 'bullet bag' but its an ingenious idea. Not just the method of using it but also the fact that the routining means its of no importance to the spectators. Not my place to tip method.
Im sure he used it on Penn & Teller. He had a different name for it I'm sure. My memory fails me.

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You guys are referring to David's open servante. He fried everyone at the New York Coin Magic Seminar when he unveiled it, and fooled Penn and Teller with it on TV. I remember the first time he showed it to me. Latta and I met with David at his apartment, and he kept vanishing coins over and over until it slowly dawned on us what he was doing (and we were literally a foot away from him). He tipped the entire system on volume 11 of the NYCMS DVD series.
Available at dealers EVERYWHERE - RUBINSTEIN COIN MAGIC- The biggest book on coin magic since Bobo's Modern Coin Magic, and the most important since David Roth's Expert Coin Magic! Hardbound, 500 pages, 20 chapters of state of the art coin magic illustrated with 930 crisp photos! A contribution chapter from over 20 of the world's top coin magicians! This will be the book against which all future books on coin magic will be measured! Already called a Modern Classic!!
And if anyone (USA ONLY) needs some of the coin stuff used in the book, shoot me an email at rubinsteindvm@aol.com as I have some limited supplies of coins and props used in the book.
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Was the Open Servante his idea? Did it look like a bag?
Anyway, I was just re-blocking Twisting the Aces back to the old fingertips handling, because one of my last phone calls with David was about how he thought the old Elmsley Count handling was more deceptive. He asked me if I originally learned the "Twisting" with the old grip. I had, and then noticed the NYC crowd were all using the new Diaconis handling. So I just switched back.
By the way, David really did Twisting the Aces well but didn't use the actual Twisting flourish as if it were too corny. Instead, each time, to make magic happen, he'd take the packet in an overhand (Biddle) grip and give the cards a gentle shake. "When I give the cards a shake"...such and such happens. I would call that a "touch". The David Roth "touch". The mistake some guys make with the fingertips count is that they make it seem like "mixing" the cards. To make it seem like counting, one hand stays stiller, and the other hand moves a little more, so there is an emphasis on which hand is holding and which hand is drawing off, that makes it seem like counting and not mixing. That being said, I'm going back. This is an example of how his work with cards had as much attention to detail as his coin work.
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Gregg, sending you something to your email that should explain it.
Available at dealers EVERYWHERE - RUBINSTEIN COIN MAGIC- The biggest book on coin magic since Bobo's Modern Coin Magic, and the most important since David Roth's Expert Coin Magic! Hardbound, 500 pages, 20 chapters of state of the art coin magic illustrated with 930 crisp photos! A contribution chapter from over 20 of the world's top coin magicians! This will be the book against which all future books on coin magic will be measured! Already called a Modern Classic!!
And if anyone (USA ONLY) needs some of the coin stuff used in the book, shoot me an email at rubinsteindvm@aol.com as I have some limited supplies of coins and props used in the book.
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A couple of things here, off topic, but on the topic of the Elmsley Count being discussed here.

The reason for the Vernon at-the-fingertips approach is that after the twisting motion, that is where the cards wind up, i.e. at the fingertips, so that there is no re-adjusting of the cards; from there, one goes right into the count.

I believe the Diaconis handling is different from the way the count is popularly done today. In the popular version, the cards are held at the fingertips, usually of the right hand, and counted from right to left. In the Diaconis version, the cards are held in left-hand mechanics grip and counted from left to right using the left-hand thumb at the top left-hand corner to do the push-off.

On topic: With all the wonderful coin magic around today, the coin magic of David Roth is unsurpassed. Every element of magic--sleights, plots, patter, timing, presentation--are perfected in his magic. I concur with Vernon: he was the greatest coin magician ever.
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I was just recounting how David discussed the Diaconis handling with me. He's the one that said the mechanics grip/popular/modern handling was from Perci. That's all.

Anyway, thinking back to Sol Stone's passing, David and Sol were close. In fact one of the last times I spoke with David, one thing I asked him was if he had spoken with Sol recently. He had. The reason I asked was someone had told me at that time that they heard Sol died 2 years ago...which I knew couldn't be true...the 2 years ago part. So I double checked.

One story David told me about Vernon concerned getting old and living a long time was that Vernon felt the worst part was that you saw all your friends die. So, Sol having been 98, and he was a friend of David's and I'm sure he heard of David's passing.
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I just talked to David's manager Regina Monaco, who has been working with David's sister Lisa and Asi Wind to host a David Roth zoom memorial. She asked me to post this:
Regina R. Monaco and Lisa Roth would like to invite the Magic Community to attend the Memorial we are holding in Honor of David Roth's Extraordinary Life.


We are holding this Memorial as a Zoom meeting, hosted by Asi Wind.


The details for connecting to this Zoom Memorial are below. Please join us as we remember the Life and Magic of the irreplaceable David Roth. 


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Time: Mar 13, 2021 02:30 PM EST America/Nassau

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Available at dealers EVERYWHERE - RUBINSTEIN COIN MAGIC- The biggest book on coin magic since Bobo's Modern Coin Magic, and the most important since David Roth's Expert Coin Magic! Hardbound, 500 pages, 20 chapters of state of the art coin magic illustrated with 930 crisp photos! A contribution chapter from over 20 of the world's top coin magicians! This will be the book against which all future books on coin magic will be measured! Already called a Modern Classic!!
And if anyone (USA ONLY) needs some of the coin stuff used in the book, shoot me an email at rubinsteindvm@aol.com as I have some limited supplies of coins and props used in the book.
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Thank you Michael I will attend. I never met Roth but I enjoyed everything he did
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I just remembered a Fred Kaps story David told me. David got some close-up coins info and the Floating Cork, among other things from Fred Kaps. Well, in Fred's standup act he used to vanish a salt shaker into his profonde. A woman saw him on a cruise ship, I think it was, and saw a number of his shows. Each time he missed and the salt shaker smashed into pieces on the floor. Then, some time later this woman saw Fred and this time he didn't miss and in fact the salt shaker made it into the profonde.

As this woman was telling the story to David, she said that this time he had taken her favorite part out of the act. David asked what that was. "Well, he used to smash the salt shaker on the floor." "That was my favorite part of his act. He didn't do it this time". She was disappointed that the salt shaker trick worked. Again, an example of how David was "in" with the top magicians of the day. In fact, we were all calling it the Kaps Subtlety for a while until someone started calling it the Kaps/Malini Subtlety.
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In ongoing recognition and respect for a real giant in the art, “Happy Birthday, David Roth.” 🙏🏽

I would regularly try to give him a call on his birthday, and actually got him a time or two. I remember him always enjoying the call from me sorta magically out of the blue. He was always a pleasure to speak with, ever inspirational and welcoming. Personal experiences that I will always cherish in fond remembrance on my journey of yet another unique someone really worth remembering, a real champion.
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We just had the most amazing zoom tribute to David. I know it was recorded, I hope it becomes available for all to see. Here is a video tribute I made for David.

https://youtu.be/GYW5ZZNvR7c
Available at dealers EVERYWHERE - RUBINSTEIN COIN MAGIC- The biggest book on coin magic since Bobo's Modern Coin Magic, and the most important since David Roth's Expert Coin Magic! Hardbound, 500 pages, 20 chapters of state of the art coin magic illustrated with 930 crisp photos! A contribution chapter from over 20 of the world's top coin magicians! This will be the book against which all future books on coin magic will be measured! Already called a Modern Classic!!
And if anyone (USA ONLY) needs some of the coin stuff used in the book, shoot me an email at rubinsteindvm@aol.com as I have some limited supplies of coins and props used in the book.
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A beautiful video tribute, Michael.

Yesterday's Zoom memorial was a wonderful privilege to attend. There's nothing I can say which others have not already said about David Roth's impact on magic. Thank goodness we are left with such a wonderful body of timeless work to watch, read and learn for generations to come.

The Zoom tribute was about the man his family and friends fondly recalled. There was a veritable who's who of magicians in attendance, sharing a life unseen by those of us who were only familiar with Roth's work. Great stories about a man whose kindness, curiosity, knowledge, skills and inventiveness knew no boundaries. David Roth made an impact on so many people, including those like myself who never got to meet him. As a few participants yesterday said, there was coin magic before David Roth, and coin magic after David Roth. We are all the richer for living in the post-Roth world. RIP, David.

Jeremy (aka CoinBoy101)
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I thought the memorial went very well. I had audio reverb/echo at my end. Particularly on Darwin's. Still, good to see Darwin and Pat and Steve Freeman who David mentioned to me many times. The clips they showed were amazing to see. I'm glad I attended.
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I forgot to mention I remembered another anecdote. Way back, late 70's I think, he used to do this bit. He'd say "a real magician wouldn't have to use patter." "He'd just have to say 'watch', and make something happen." Meanwhile he had found a watch that, if he took the straps off, he could classic palm. So he's do a L'Homme Masque Load and after the appropriate pause, open his hand to reveal a WATCH!. Also, he bothered to find out the correct pronunciation for L'Homme Masque'.
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It was the first zoom meeting I've attended. Conjuring Arts sent out an invitation (thank you, Michael, too, for sharing invitations here at the Café) and I think it was a lovely get together. I appreciate having been able to attend.
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Sad that I couldn't attend due to a prior commitment. Im hoping its eventually available to watch.

Best wishes to all
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This just came in, so I thought you would like to see the YouTube video of the memorial (about 2.5 hrs). It is nice to hear so many stories from different parts of David's life.
https://youtu.be/oZikJxwMr2Y
Available at dealers EVERYWHERE - RUBINSTEIN COIN MAGIC- The biggest book on coin magic since Bobo's Modern Coin Magic, and the most important since David Roth's Expert Coin Magic! Hardbound, 500 pages, 20 chapters of state of the art coin magic illustrated with 930 crisp photos! A contribution chapter from over 20 of the world's top coin magicians! This will be the book against which all future books on coin magic will be measured! Already called a Modern Classic!!
And if anyone (USA ONLY) needs some of the coin stuff used in the book, shoot me an email at rubinsteindvm@aol.com as I have some limited supplies of coins and props used in the book.
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Thank you, Michael. I wasn't able to record, so thank you for posting this link from Asi.
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