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The 3 best routines are Vernon, Lorayne, Daryl, in that order
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"Baxter's Ambitious Card" by Ian Baxter was just included in the Lybrary.com newsletter. Don't know anything about it but thought it applies here.

https://www.lybrary.com/baxters-ambitious-card-p-924563.html
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Cy Endfield's - from Cy Endfields Entertaining Card Magic (Part 3).

As Cy says in his book (quote): "many Ambitious Card routines suffer from Double Lift indigestion". Oh how (sadly) very true!

Mark Lewis has also added his excellent, commercial Ambitious Card Routine within his Annotated Royal Road to Card Magic.

Just to add that Harry Lorayne's superb Ultra Move, takes many Ambitious Card Routine to a new level.
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On May 19, 2021, Maxyedid wrote:
The 3 best routines are Vernon, Lorayne, Daryl, in that order


I find the Daryl routine far too long. An interminable 8 minutes or so. I am not overly keen on the rope finish either as it seems to me to be a bit over the top. Still, I wonder if he just devised this interminable presentation to amuse magicians. I bet that when he performed it for laymen (if he ever did) that he would probably have cut down dramatically on all the phases and got the thing over with in about 3 minutes or so.
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Fred Robinson's ambitious card is perfection. You can find it in The Magic of Fred Robinson.
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On May 19, 2021, Maxyedid wrote:
The 3 best routines are Vernon, Lorayne, Daryl, in that order


I find the Daryl routine far too long. An interminable 8 minutes or so. I am not overly keen on the rope finish either as it seems to me to be a bit over the top. Still, I wonder if he just devised this interminable presentation to amuse magicians. I bet that when he performed it for laymen (if he ever did) that he would probably have cut down dramatically on all the phases and got the thing over with in about 3 minutes or so.


I hear you, but the idea of the routine (at least, how I understand it) is that it’s modular so you are not supposed to perform all the routine all the time. But yes it’s the longest routine I’ve found (I counted 16 phases!).

He did win a FISM price for it though
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It would seem that when many magicians talk about The Ambitious Card, the only comments are “too short” or “too long” (sounds funny) or “too many phases”.

How many phases a routine has it’s actually two considerations: one, an aesthetic one - if that’s what you want to do artistically speaking or not. If that’s what you want to communicate to the audience or not. The second consideration is a dramatic one: are people enjoying it or bored? So if that’s what you want to do, and people enjoy it - why not? That’s what Daryl did 😀.

As a magician I see those considerations as mostly personal; I’m not particularly interested in that type of choices. When I study the routine I’m mostly interested in the construction: how one phase leads (or prepares) the others, the canceling out of methods, etc. In that sense the Daryl routine is superlative. If it has too many phases or not it’s irrelevant (to me) as I know the routine can be adjusted to my wants/needs.

I don’t know if this makes any sense? 😂 I hope it does 😀👍🏻
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He did win a FISM price for it though [/quote]

I do thank you for your respectful and courteous response. There are certain obnoxious posters here who could learn from you! With regard to the fact that Daryl won a FISM prize I have to confess that your remark made me laugh out loud! I have always considered the winning of a magic contest to be a very bad sign! I suspect that if all the judges were laymen he would probably have come in last. They would probably have fallen asleep at around phase number 9!

However, I appreciated the rest of your post and you did make some good points.
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On May 19, 2021, Harry Lorayne wrote:
I wonder how many here even know of my ACR;?


I certainly do! In fact I used to perform it regularly! It had a few phases that were similar to the version in Bruce Elliott's version in Classic Secrets of Magic which is what I originally started with but when I came across your version I found that I preferred it and went over to your routine instead. I have always appreciated your contributions to card magic and memory training. Very much indeed in fact. Your name will live on in the annals of magic.
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I agree with Ed's recommendation. There's more interaction with the participant in Vernon's routine than there is in most of the contemporary ambitious card sequences I've seen. Here is a good demonstration of the routine as described in Stars of Magic (by a magician called Shanla):



I'd also recommend you pick up a copy of Daryl's Ambitious Card Omnibus, which has been recently republished by Penguin Magic. This book is written by one of the very best authors in magic (Stephen Minch). It was first released in 1987 and covers much of the material from Daryl's Ambitious Card DVD. For my money, Daryl was the best teacher of this classic. I'd recommend you pick up his DVD along with the book if you can.

Marty



Do you know if the book covers more stuff than the dvd or at least different? I already have owned the dvd for years.
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Another vote for David Regal’s Routine! And...although not written up (per OP’s specifications), David Forrester’s DELORIAN offers some keen moments within the routine. He ends with a card to impossible location that can be modified to fit into any available construct for a strong finish.
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My version of Ambitious Card:

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According to max maven, tommy wonder's routine gets standing ovation all the time and I never doubt it. it is that good.

did any of us get a standing ovation from a acr?
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There are several routines I know that are worth studying.
Vernon's definitely (but see his commentary about it on the Revelations DVD - it adds useful detail on presentation).
Lorayne's. Anything by Lorayne is worth reading.
The version in Classic Secrets of Magic.
The Ambitious Card Omnibus is a great resource.
I'd also echo the recommendation of Fred Robinson's routine. It is a coherent whole, so even if you don't use any aspect of the handling, understanding the thinking behind its construction will enhance your understanding of magic.
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Anyone here like Jennings' routine?
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In my late teens I learnt Vernon's routine from Stars of Magic. A few years later an American TV show was aired on Irish TV and there was Vernon performing his ACR. What amazed me was how humorous it was. The clip of it must still be around somewhere though I don't recall the name of the TV show.

Incidentally Tommy Wonder's routine is structurally based on Vernon's.
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