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On Feb 5, 2021, Phatmeat wrote:
I’m guessing it’s limited to just the court cards.


That would actually be great. My concern is that it's less than that.
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This seems limited. Very limited.
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If the this is essentially Instagrab in a Sharpie then I would expect the selection process to be like that effect (also similar to Inferno).

Instagrab performance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7HCbRZEGOg

Just curious how self-contained things are with this.
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On Feb 5, 2021, Joe Roberts wrote:
This is from the MJM email about the effect:



It could be the Queen of Hearts. It could be the King of Spades. That card will be in the sharpie pen!"


I think that usually you would say something more like...it could be the Queen of hearts or it could be the 4 of clubs.
I thought it strange that MJM used two face cards in their description. Makes me think you must be limited to face cards.
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My guess is it can be any of the 12 court cards and you receive 6 gimmicked cards that make up all 12 of the court cards (depending on how you hold the card). Which would mean that you cannot let the spectator unfold the card. The magician has to do it.
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Could this be more than one sharpie and you pull it out after they name a card and some by play and open it to reveal? Seems the most obvious if you have limited cards that you can produce if there’s more than one sharpie. That way there’s no deck needed.
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Could this be more than one sharpie and you pull it out after they name a card and some by play and open it to reveal? Seems the most obvious if you have limited cards that you can produce if there’s more than one sharpie. That way there’s no deck needed.


Read the ad.
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On Feb 6, 2021, magicmind wrote:
Could this be more than one sharpie and you pull it out after they name a card and some by play and open it to reveal? Seems the most obvious if you have limited cards that you can produce if there’s more than one sharpie. That way there’s no deck needed.


The copy says "Keep the Sharpie in view the ENTIRE time."

They also say in the video "You pull it [the card] out and ask them to name their card for the first time..."

That said, they show hardly any of the performance in the video so it feels like they're hiding something.
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On Feb 5, 2021, pegasus wrote:
Couldn’t you simply convert your own sharpie and stick a rolled up card inside and perform your favourite card force routine?
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You can take a normal deck. Show all the cards different. Have the spectator shuffle the cards and have them freely select any card. Use Paul Harris's Avalanche to force the necessary card and you are done.
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My concerns about this effect were (1) What procedures were hidden from us in the promo? and (2) How suspicious were those procedures?

Unfortunately, this thread has degenerated into speculations about the method itself, which are inappropriate, especially in an open forum. I would still like answers to my two questions above, so if you have them, please post. Smile
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My concerns about this effect were (1) What procedures were hidden from us in the promo? and (2) How suspicious were those procedures?

Unfortunately, this thread has degenerated into speculations about the method itself, which are inappropriate, especially in an open forum. I would still like answers to my two questions above, so if you have them, please post. Smile


I don't see the difference between what you are asking for ("What procedures were hidden") and what you are saying shouldn't be happening ("speculations about the method").

For context:

Method definition: a procedure, technique, or way of doing something, especially in accordance with a definite plan.

Are you saying the speculation is wrong and you want to know the actual procedures/methods?
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On Feb 5, 2021, Jonathan1000 wrote:
My concerns about this effect were (1) What procedures were hidden from us in the promo? and (2) How suspicious were those procedures?

Unfortunately, this thread has degenerated into speculations about the method itself, which are inappropriate, especially in an open forum. I would still like answers to my two questions above, so if you have them, please post. Smile


What are you talking about? Literally the purpose of this particular section of the Café is for "speculation." If you don't want that, don't read this section.
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So we’re being sold the fact that males will always name the Jack of Hearts when asked to think of a card they relate to for £50? That’s certainly what it seems like.
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[quote]On Feb 5, 2021, danHumphrey wrote:
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On Feb 6, 2021, Jonathan1000 wrote:
My concerns about this effect were (1) What procedures were hidden from us in the promo? and (2) How suspicious were those procedures?

Unfortunately, this thread has degenerated into speculations about the method itself, which are inappropriate, especially in an open forum. I would still like answers to my two questions above, so if you have them, please post. Smile


I don't see the difference between what you are asking for ("What procedures were hidden") and what you are saying shouldn't be happening ("speculations about the method").




Reasonable question, Dan. The effect is being marketed as using a random card merely thought of. I want to know if that's accurate or if a procedure underlies the selection. It's not appropriate to disclose -- or ask for -- a description of the procedure. That would be disclosure.

Joe, your comment entirely misses my point. My abstaining from this section won't undo the harm of disclosing secrets. But I certainly appreciate your kind and friendly thought. Smile
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Could the pen have a card on either side, one end always being covered by the cap?
I’ve never been a “guess that method “ type, but I was just thinking.
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My question for Tyler Lunsford is how much pocket space does it require and is there enough built-in misdirection when you need to dip into your pockets? Of course, the camera naturally cuts away when all of this action is happening on the trailer. It seems like the only (possible) advantage to this is that the card apparently remains in full-view before it is eventually switched for the named card.

Naturally, the basic effect can easily be replicated by using Sankey's Paperclipped and a 'Q' index. My hope is that this somehow streamlines and/or improves the handling besides simply adding double-indexed cards (thus reducing the 12 face cards to 6). I've been disappointed with so many of the Other Brothers releases in recent years that I'm a bit reluctant to pull the trigger.
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On Feb 5, 2021, Jonathan1000 wrote:

Joe, your comment entirely misses my point. My abstaining from this section won't undo the harm of disclosing secrets. But I certainly appreciate your kind and friendly thought.     Smile


I didn't miss your point. Your point was nonsense. First you tell people they shouldn't speculate in a section that is FOR speculating (see here: https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=179360&forum=218 ) 

Then you imagine there is some "harm" happening if magicians on a forum for people interested in magic, speculate about a method. There is no "harm" to undo. No one is "disclosing secrets." Laypeople aren't reading the magic Café to find out magic secrets. There are much easier ways for them to do that. People are here discussing practical considerations for this effect and whether or not it's something they want to spend their money on. 
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It's also possible they are four suits per card like some other effects where you can open a card four ways. That would reduce it to 3 cards. Either way, I think I'd rather have an index with more choices.
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Instagrab with a sharpie
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The post on which you rely to justify exposure in this forum also provides that REVIEWS may not be posted here. So it appears the words you cite are far from gospel.

You also seem to believe that laymen don't read the green pages. Nonsense! Just Google virtually any trick name and you'll see that the Café discussion of the effect is invariably among the first listings.

Finally, you say there are easier places to go to learn the secret to SUMMIT. I disagree but here's a chance to prove your point: List any one of those many, easily consulted sites that gives away the secret to SUMMIT.
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