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And again, it's really just my opinion and experience (so far of course) - but honestly the "WTF" reactions I had a LOT of times (%-wise and again performance sample is really not comparable yet so it's really an initial feeling) as I was taking out the card from the sharpie were nowhere near the reactions I got most of the time from Inferno (which is still an amazing effect don't get me wrong!)
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On Apr 19, 2021, goldeneye007 wrote:
And again, it's really just my opinion and experience (so far of course) - but honestly the "WTF" reactions I had a LOT of times (%-wise and again performance sample is really not comparable yet so it's really an initial feeling) as I was taking out the card from the sharpie were nowhere near the reactions I got most of the time from Inferno (which is still an amazing effect don't get me wrong!)


The way you wrote this suggests that Inferno gets a much better response. Is that what your experience has been?

Or maybe it’s a British/American difference.
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That isn't unexpected and is what you would expect to happen. Inferno is more of a slow burn type routine where the build-up is obvious if one sticks to the original script and the reveal is more of a deep type wow as compared to the amazed or surprised reaction one would get with the non-sequitur sequence of write down your thought of card/oh it won't work/card is found in sharpie.

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And again, it's really just my opinion and experience (so far of course) - but honestly the "WTF" reactions I had a LOT of times (%-wise and again performance sample is really not comparable yet so it's really an initial feeling) as I was taking out the card from the sharpie were nowhere near the reactions I got most of the time from Inferno (which is still an amazing effect don't get me wrong!)
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On Apr 19, 2021, goldeneye007 wrote:
And again, it's really just my opinion and experience (so far of course) - but honestly the "WTF" reactions I had a LOT of times (%-wise and again performance sample is really not comparable yet so it's really an initial feeling) as I was taking out the card from the sharpie were nowhere near the reactions I got most of the time from Inferno (which is still an amazing effect don't get me wrong!)


The way you wrote this suggests that Inferno gets a much better response. Is that what your experience has been?

Or maybe it’s a British/American difference.

Sorry, no you're right my wording is wrong! I meant Summit got overall better reactions (my fault here, re-reading what I wrote it's indeed confusing, and wrong, apologies, I meant it the other way round). I meant that with Summit people had that "WTF" reaction when seeing a card, THEIR card, come out of the sharpie (which they feel they have been holding the whole time as in my handling they start with the pen in their hands) and I don't feel that, again overall, the reactions I had with Inferno have been that strong.

That being said I think people should probably perform effects they feel comfortable with and that they like performing. If you don't like Summit and if you think it's a stupid effect that doesn't make sense you probably shouldn't perform it, regardless of whether some people say it's an amazing effect that gets great reactions because the fact that you don't believe in the effect will probably show in your performance? I don't know it's just a feeling.
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That isn't unexpected and is what you would expect to happen. Inferno is more of a slow burn type routine where the build-up is obvious if one sticks to the original script and the reveal is more of a deep type wow as compared to the amazed or surprised reaction one would get with the non-sequitur sequence of write down your thought of card/oh it won't work/card is found in sharpie.

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And again, it's really just my opinion and experience (so far of course) - but honestly the "WTF" reactions I had a LOT of times (%-wise and again performance sample is really not comparable yet so it's really an initial feeling) as I was taking out the card from the sharpie were nowhere near the reactions I got most of the time from Inferno (which is still an amazing effect don't get me wrong!)

Yep, agree, that makes sense indeed!

I was actually a bit surprised at some reactions I got... I've been mostly using two in****s when performing so I can also let them take the card out of the sharpie themselves and they can examine everything, which might add to how strong the effect is to them.
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I think that is most definitely the better way to handle the effect (2 indexes). It's nice to hear someone going the extra mile to make it examinable. Do you stick with the basic routine or is there some other way that you present it that works for you?

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On Apr 19, 2021, Kaliix wrote:
That isn't unexpected and is what you would expect to happen. Inferno is more of a slow burn type routine where the build-up is obvious if one sticks to the original script and the reveal is more of a deep type wow as compared to the amazed or surprised reaction one would get with the non-sequitur sequence of write down your thought of card/oh it won't work/card is found in sharpie.

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On Apr 19, 2021, goldeneye007 wrote:
And again, it's really just my opinion and experience (so far of course) - but honestly the "WTF" reactions I had a LOT of times (%-wise and again performance sample is really not comparable yet so it's really an initial feeling) as I was taking out the card from the sharpie were nowhere near the reactions I got most of the time from Inferno (which is still an amazing effect don't get me wrong!)

Yep, agree, that makes sense indeed!

I was actually a bit surprised at some reactions I got... I've been mostly using two in****s when performing so I can also let them take the card out of the sharpie themselves and they can examine everything, which might add to how strong the effect is to them.
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I only read the first few pages of this thread and if any of what I am going to say has been mentioned I apologize. Regarding ways to achieve this effect using an actual deck and the reveal, I actually was trying to play around with something a while ago that I never really finished. It was pretty simple- I was going to use the “Mastermind Deck” to force the selection (which is great because you can show every card different and then you turn the deck face down and they can touch any card from the spread. I really like to reiterate that all the cards are different, and they can change their mind and touch any other card or stick with the one they first touched). It just adds to the “fact” that it is just a regular deck. Then, without hesitation (or you could play it out slowly)- and without leaving the spectators sight- I give a magical gesture and turn the deck face up again. Spread out every card and their “thought of” card is gone. Then I was going to use “Look Sharp” by Wayne Goodman for the reveal. Not sure how I was going to use it, but I thought instead of opening something to get to the card (phone, pen, watch, etc), it would be cool to show that the actual barrel of the card is unrolled to show it’s the “thought of” card.
But regarding this effect, unless I’m missing something, I don’t understand why in the trailer and the description of the effect they say there’s no equivoque, but there obviously is. That’s huge.
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I only read the first few pages of this thread and if any of what I am going to say has been mentioned I apologize. Regarding ways to achieve this effect using an actual deck and the reveal, I actually was trying to play around with something a while ago that I never really finished. It was pretty simple- I was going to use the “Mastermind Deck” to force the selection (which is great because you can show every card different and then you turn the deck face down and they can touch any card from the spread. I really like to reiterate that all the cards are different, and they can change their mind and touch any other card or stick with the one they first touched). It just adds to the “fact” that it is just a regular deck. Then, without hesitation (or you could play it out slowly)- and without leaving the spectators sight- I give a magical gesture and turn the deck face up again. Spread out every card and their “thought of” card is gone. Then I was going to use “Look Sharp” by Wayne Goodman for the reveal. Not sure how I was going to use it, but I thought instead of opening something to get to the card (phone, pen, watch, etc), it would be cool to show that the actual barrel of the card is unrolled to show it’s the “thought of” card.
But regarding this effect, unless I’m missing something, I don’t understand why in the trailer and the description of the effect they say there’s no equivoque, but there obviously is. That’s huge.


The key thing here is "thought of card", not "pick a card". Even if they see the whole deck is different cards, what you are describing is still a pick a card trick. Personally, I don't see any problem with a partial mental force, or for that matter even a full mental force as is done in Hotel 52 by David Regal. I don't own this, but I suspect this is a partial force where they feel like they had a free selection in the end.
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I think that is most definitely the better way to handle the effect (2 indexes). It's nice to hear someone going the extra mile to make it examinable. Do you stick with the basic routine or is there some other way that you present it that works for you?

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On Apr 19, 2021, Kaliix wrote:
That isn't unexpected and is what you would expect to happen. Inferno is more of a slow burn type routine where the build-up is obvious if one sticks to the original script and the reveal is more of a deep type wow as compared to the amazed or surprised reaction one would get with the non-sequitur sequence of write down your thought of card/oh it won't work/card is found in sharpie.

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On Apr 19, 2021, goldeneye007 wrote:
And again, it's really just my opinion and experience (so far of course) - but honestly the "WTF" reactions I had a LOT of times (%-wise and again performance sample is really not comparable yet so it's really an initial feeling) as I was taking out the card from the sharpie were nowhere near the reactions I got most of the time from Inferno (which is still an amazing effect don't get me wrong!)

Yep, agree, that makes sense indeed!

I was actually a bit surprised at some reactions I got... I've been mostly using two in****s when performing so I can also let them take the card out of the sharpie themselves and they can examine everything, which might add to how strong the effect is to them.


Thank you Kaliix, I'm using something along the line of a post I wrote a few pages back but which I improved. It didn't seem to get great responses here so I'll just PM you!
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1KJ- you are completely right in what you say. I know the card is actually picked. But sometimes I’ve seen magicians have a spectator actually pick a card but then they will tell the spectator to “now lock that card in your mind and don’t forget it” or “you are the only one who knows the identity of the card, so make sure you keep it in your mind” and use a little wordplay to make the spectator think the card is “thought of”. That’s why when I said “thought of” in my last post I put the words in parenthesis, because it’s not really thought of, it’s picked. The spectator picks a card, but for the rest of the effect is thinking of the card (he/she picked). By the end the magician says “now what was the card you merely have been thinking of” or whatever, and sometimes it flies by. I don’t have any issues with mental forces or equivoque, I have a bunch of effects that use it. Inferno, Alone, Say Cheese, plus a ton of others. I just don’t get why they said there’s none of that which there is, which to me isn’t a bad thing anyway.
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New review and this week, we talk about Summit!

Get yourself the Flap Cards guide : http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/4435

Make sure to check my review Channel, new reviews coming every week ! http://www.youtube.com/c/alexisreviews
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Thank you for the review Alexis, I'm glad we agree.

Just 3 comments from my side:
1) in some instances (50% of the time) you can actually let the spectator unroll the card (... I won't go into too much detail but in a way you can let them handle it even if there is spectator management involved)
2) if you buy two sets of Summit then you can always let them unroll the card themselves (and they can keep it if they want but you'll have to replace the card with any matching card from any deck)
3) I haven't done it a lot yet due to restrictions but Summit, imo, can definitely be part of a street magic performance, that's one of the strong points since you can play around saying you're not carrying a deck with you

Otherwise I fully agree with what you say. I just wanted to reiterate that the reactions I have gotten were, surprisingly I must admit, much stronger than I had anticipated. Honestly, since you have it Alexis, give it a try a few times and see the reactions you get, you might be suprised...!

Cheers!
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Hey Friends,

Here is a quick performance by Ekat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_cOQlwerDY
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Hello everyone
I understand the community's disappointment with the fake adv, but I don't understand the bad reviews. The effect reminds me Roberto Giobbi's thought card in cigarette, which I presented for years until the ban on smoking in public places (the original effect requires the cigarette to be lit) with great success. No one ever questioned whether the card was rolled, since it appears inside a cigarette (now a sharpie, and the concept here seems to me to be the same as the cigarette/sharpie through the card/coin).

Also in Giobbi's effect there was a magician choice, but presented in an intelligent and unequivocal way (those who know the effect know what I'm talking about, I don't reveal it on a public forum). However, the negative point here seems to be the false adv -with which I agree - but I have in my repertoire other similar effects with mix******d cards, such as "One and only" by Paul Harris, which is wonderful. In short, with respect to all your contrary opinions I like Summit very much and the audience I presented it on also likes it.

all the best
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Personally, if I am going to perform a routine using outs I would much rather have the "outs" in full view from the beginning of the performance rather than having to load the out into the item. That's why Tony Doomo's SHIVA wallet is so great- you can have 8 outs ready to go without having to load anything. But I do see how some would like other methods (items) to use for outs. As always just depends on the person and performing environment....
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