On Feb 13, 2021, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
You may as well have one card face down on the table in full view then if you are going to use DFB ? Gaz 😊

On Feb 13, 2021, natsuy wrote:
But just a question can you actually have an ordinary empty sharpie? I believe regular sharpies can't even be opened. What I believe Pegasus was saying is if you have the money you can buy the gimmick and use it in combination with DFB.

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On Feb 6, 2021, Harry Patter wrote:
I'm meant you don't need Summit. You can use dfb and an empty Sharpie you have rolled a card into.
The Sharpie with Summit doesn't work. It is an ordinary empty Sharpie.

On Feb 14, 2021, JackMagic wrote:
as stated on this weeks Propdog Live this is nothing more than a trick that solved a problem that does not exist

Force a card or use DFB and use your own sharpie

must better than wasting your money on this trash !

On Feb 12, 2021, Martin Pulman wrote:
I'm not sure the "it doesn't make sense" argument makes much sense. The history of magic is littered with effects that make little logical sense or have any link to lived experience- the universal image of a magician is a man pulling a rabbit out of a top hat.

Does it make sense for a playing card to be inside a Sharpie? No. But it doesn't really make much more sense to pretend to be thinking of burning playing cards and then taking a burnt card held by a paper clip out of a matchbox. What's that all about? Has anyone outside of a magic context ever kept a burnt playing card held by a paperclip in a matchbox?

It could be argued this crazy lack of true logic is part of magic's glory. It's a kind of dream logic. Surely what matters is that there is internal logic within the routine, with genuinely motivated actions? The idea that you think of a card, are asked to write it down and then, upon finding the pen doesn't write, discover that the card you are merely thinking of is inside the pen, blocking it from writing, has an internal logic. The sequence of events makes sense within the particular dream logic of the effect.

The issue I would have with it is, if you have already asked for the value and colour of the card (as claimed on here, and not denied as far as I can see) then it doesn't make much sense to ask for it to be written down. Much better to get them to think of a card, genuinely never name it and then allow them to take it from the Sharpie and inspect it if they wish -which can be done, of course.

On Feb 14, 2021, Kaliix wrote:
"Has anyone outside of a magic context ever kept a burnt playing card held by a paperclip in a matchbox?"

No, but so what. That isn't the relevant question. Magic makes sense because the magician makes it make sense through the story and routine. Inferno works because the burning of the cards, the matchbox, Fire, Men vs Women all tie into the story, which ties into the equivoque which brings it full circle. The Inferno card IS the prediction. The magician saved one card. That reveal is built up to and IS the climax.

Summit is an oops moment. Oh look the pen won't write, I wonder why. There is no story, no reason, no justification for the card being in the pen. The magician just did it because he could and it cheapens the reveal to have it appear "by accident".

Summit was manufactured to make dollars, not sense.

On Feb 9, 2021, scott0819 wrote:
I'm struggling to understand the pros of this method vs all the other methods/versions discussed. Based on all the discussion:

PROS:
- thought of card, no deck needed
- card in sharpie can be revealed prior to final card choice (spades/clubs, hearts/diamonds)

CONS:
- gimmick and pocket space required
- switch or load involved (possibly)
- sharpie cannot be examined
- card cannot be examined

On the no-gimmick side, you can get very close to the same effect using a regular hollowed out sharpie and Seven by Bryn Reynolds (Safwan Papers).

On Feb 14, 2021, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
Never liked the equivoque in inferno as it goes completely against what they have asked for on half the occasions . See this performance to see what I mean Gaz 😊

https://youtu.be/mno_rqPnDvM

On Feb 14, 2021, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
Never liked the equivoque ...........

I agree. Leave that rubbish to the ‘so called’ mentalists.

On Feb 14, 2021, Martin Pulman wrote:
Why would a mentalist perform 'Inferno'; it's a magic trick. At a stretch, mental magic.

Alternatively, just ask them to think of themselves as a playing card and watch your card in sharpie effect fall apart in front of your eyes.

On Feb 14, 2021, Martin Pulman wrote:

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On Feb 14, 2021, Kaliix wrote:
"Has anyone outside of a magic context ever kept a burnt playing card held by a paperclip in a matchbox?"

No, but so what. That isn't the relevant question. Magic makes sense because the magician makes it make sense through the story and routine. Inferno works because the burning of the cards, the matchbox, Fire, Men vs Women all tie into the story, which ties into the equivoque which brings it full circle. The Inferno card IS the prediction. The magician saved one card. That reveal is built up to and IS the climax.

Summit is an oops moment. Oh look the pen won't write, I wonder why. There is no story, no reason, no justification for the card being in the pen. The magician just did it because he could and it cheapens the reveal to have it appear "by accident".

Summit was manufactured to make dollars, not sense.

All you're saying is you prefer the nonsense of Inferno to the nonsense of Summit. I do, too. It's a much better structured routine. Inferno is much more beautifully crafted as an organic whole.But neither of them make any "sense". Both routines are contrived. Inferno is just a more pleasing contrivance.

I don't think Summit plays as a prediction routine, and I don't see why it has to, but if people want routines that make sense with proper predictions being revealed in logical ways switch to proper mentalism. The best mentalism prediction routines will meet your criteria.

On Feb 14, 2021, mindhunter wrote:

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On Feb 14, 2021, Martin Pulman wrote:
Why would a mentalist perform 'Inferno'; it's a magic trick. At a stretch, mental magic.

Alternatively, just ask them to think of themselves as a playing card and watch your card in sharpie effect fall apart in front of your eyes.

Why does a performer do "prediction to ANY surprising location?" (be it a previously mailed envelope....

On Feb 14, 2021, Martin Pulman wrote:

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On Feb 14, 2021, mindhunter wrote:

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On Feb 14, 2021, Martin Pulman wrote:
Why would a mentalist perform 'Inferno'; it's a magic trick. At a stretch, mental magic.

Alternatively, just ask them to think of themselves as a playing card and watch your card in sharpie effect fall apart in front of your eyes.

Why does a performer do "prediction to ANY surprising location?" (be it a previously mailed envelope....

In what way is a prediction in a previously mailed envelope a "surprising location"?