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The Unmasked Magician Inner circle If only I didn't have a wife and a kid I would have MUCH more than 2711 Posts 
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On Feb 16, 2021, MR Effecto wrote: May we conclude from this that you are in the possession of good hands?
Please check regularly if you are becoming the type of magician Jerry Seinfeld jokes about. (This applies to mentalists as well.)
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The Unmasked Magician Inner circle If only I didn't have a wife and a kid I would have MUCH more than 2711 Posts
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On Feb 16, 2021, Gaz Lawrence wrote: Oh, you two guys! Stop agreeing! It's becoming a bromance 
Please check regularly if you are becoming the type of magician Jerry Seinfeld jokes about. (This applies to mentalists as well.)
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goldeneye007 Inner circle London 2431 Posts
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On Feb 16, 2021, Gaz Lawrence wrote: No need for me to report anything back then! 
Guys, I think we've all read a thousand times on this thread that the equivoque shown on the different trailers is really poor and we've all agreed that you shouldn't do it like that. All I've been reading is people going on and on and on regarding this equivoque, about how there is no equivoque but then there is still one, that the effect makes no sense etc... I think we all got the point: there IS indeed a "no-equivoque" method possible for this effect but we all agree the patter is really not great (and I'm still not sure why they show trailers using it ...). And regarding whether the effect makes sense or not is personal taste I suppose, I can't really comment on that. I'm really not here to defend Summit but if you base your opinion solely on the equivoque shown in the trailers then, by all means, don't get Summit (I won't be affected obviously)! Even better, less people will perform it! 
However, for those who think there might be some potential in Summit and who might be interested, there is an equivoque method taught in the tutorial and, as I mentioned, although pretty basic, it works quite well imho. Besides it seems to me that you are all very knowledgeable magicians/mentalists so surely you would be able to get your way around narrowing the choice to 12 cards? (even without equivoque)
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videoman Inner circle 6750 Posts
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On Feb 16, 2021, goldeneye007 wrote: No, the effect doesn’t make sense. That’s just a fact. Whether you care if it doesn’t make sense is a matter of personal taste. But hey, hope you have a lot of fun with it. That’s what it’s all about. So go out there and make people smile, while practicing proper social guidelines of course! |
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goldeneye007 Inner circle London 2431 Posts
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On Feb 16, 2021, videoman wrote: Actually I beg to differ: you saying the effect does not make any sense is really not a fact, it's your personal opinion... Quote:
But hey, hope you have a lot of fun with it. That’s what it’s all about. Absolutely! And yes it will only be a small family gathering, within that group we've literally only seen each other over the past few months 
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CardGuyMike Special user 790 Posts
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The idea of an equivoque for picture cards is not new. Joshua Jay uses it for Inferno, Chris Ramsay uses it for Red Pill and these effects were well received. Other effects use it too. So pick a better equivoque.
But this idea of magicians discussing what's good is fascinating to me. In music, critics and professionals can listen to a song and say it's not good. And they can tell you why. It uses a common chord progression that's been used a million times. It has a standard beat. The lyrics are trite. The singer isn't that great. Music executives can say it's not commercial and won't sell. It's too weird, it's too long, it's too unconventional, it's boring, it doesn't fit the singer's image. And yet many of these songs over the years became smash hits because the people liked it anyway and bought lots of copies. Nobody's negative opinion here is "wrong" or outlandish. We can enumerate why it's illogical or ill-conceived or overpriced or a poor imitation of a better trick. But that's why I'm genuinely curious about the reactions Ben (or anyone else) gets. I wonder how often a trick is dismissed by magicians for very good reasons, yet the trick goes over big with audiences. That's probably a topic for another thread but it has happened famously a ton of times in music. I wonder how often it happens in magic. |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts
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None with this effect , if it’s a song then it is a bum note period it’s as simple as that . It may go over well for Ben’s family and I truly hope it does . I guarantee you though it will be in no ones set on a regular basis when there are 1000’s of better effects out there that make sense and are far far stronger Gaz 😊
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts
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On Feb 16, 2021, CardGuyMike wrote: Yes, but just because Achy Breaky Heart was a massive hit worldwide doesn't mean the music critics were wrong when they pointed out it was utter s--t. |
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MonsterMagic Special user 517 Posts
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What is the effect? Is it....
1.Production 2.Transposition 3.Thought Reading 4.Thought Transmission 5.Prediction |
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CardGuyMike Special user 790 Posts
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On Feb 16, 2021, Martin Pulman wrote: :lol: You just made me literally spit out my tea. Well done! |
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Alan M Elite user California 433 Posts
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On Feb 16, 2021, Martin Pulman wrote: I know it's only February, but this is the post of the year for me. |
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Drylid Regular user San Antonio, TX 107 Posts
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Watch the propdog trailer for this. super transparent
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rowland Inner circle 1526 Posts
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On Feb 16, 2021, Harry Patter wrote: Does Joe public actually care what it is. I have absolutely no doubt that a good magician using this will get amazing reactions with it. As usual all us magicians are doing far too much analysis of a product. Years ago you used to buy a trick, perform it and let your audience reactions decide if it was going to be a keeper or not. Many magicians set out so many boxes that a trick must tick before it becomes a feasible purchase and they maybe forget the most important one. |
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MonsterMagic Special user 517 Posts
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On Feb 17, 2021, rowland wrote: Deciding which classification enables a better presentation. It is magicians who should care about what they are presenting, it will then be clear to the spectators. |
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rowland Inner circle 1526 Posts
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On Feb 17, 2021, Harry Patter wrote: I agree to a certain extent but it this case the way it’s performed if you were to ask a group of people who had seen it I think you would get pretty much the same answer of what had happened. |
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MonsterMagic Special user 517 Posts
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So you present a trick but you don't know if you are making a prediction or mind reading?
This seriously breaks my heart. That someone can care so little about what and how they perform to not consider what the effect is they are presenting or how to create the best experience for the audience. In this case, what has happened? A card has been removed from a Sharpie. That is not a magic effect, but will get a reaction of surprise. |
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goldeneye007 Inner circle London 2431 Posts
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In this case (and I'm summarizing here, taking out all the story you can build around it) you ask a spectator to name "any" card (apparently) and to write it down (or draw it in my presentation) with a sharpie that has been in play since the very beginnging and they notice it doesn't work. Then you show the reason it doesn't work by opening the sharpie (either yourself or I let them do it in my presentation) and by showing that the card they "freely" thought of has been in their sharpie all along.
I'll let you name what kind of effect that is and I'll let you classify it but I feel this is very very strong... (but again that's just my opinion). Let me ask you something (and others as well actually ): imagine this plays EXACTLY like this - you are given a sharpie and you are asked to think of ANY card (let's say you think of the 2 of spades) and to write it down (or draw it) on a business card (or a white playing card which is what I might do from time to time). As you start doing so you realise that the sharpie doesn't work so you are asked to open the sharpie and you find the 2 of spades in the sharpie. Wouldn't you be ABSOLUTELY AMAZED? I would be. Well I guess that's more or less what you are trying to achieve here.
Now I'm really not saying this is the best trick ever, but saying this is garbage feels really harsh to me. Sure, a lot of people won't like it, I totally respect that. Imho hoewever it's quite strong. I both like the fact that you can either take out the card at the very end without knowing what card they are going to say or let them open the sharpie and take out the card themselves (depending on what version you do). Sure you could achieve that with other methods but I feel this one is quite clean compared to other methods (and true, the spectators probably wouldn't see the difference). |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts
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I personally think even the pen not working is weak , you have obviously given them a pen that was never going to write because it had a card stuffed in it with no ink cartridge . I would rather it write , then the freely thought of card is the only card missing from the deck and it’s to be found in the cap of the pen they have had and written with from the start Gaz 😊
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goldeneye007 Inner circle London 2431 Posts
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On Feb 17, 2021, Gaz Lawrence wrote: I have to admit that would be good! (and you will now tell me there are already ways to achieve something similar and you'd be right!) |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts
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Yes and the props you have received cost about £5 and yet they are charging £50 . I could make a better version myself in one hour maximum than what they supply with this Gaz 😊
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