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ringmaster
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Has anyone had experience with this illusion ? It is listed a variety of prices + shipping. I'd like to buy the original but really I can't.
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Talk to Losander. He has many more affordable solutions. I wouldn’t dream of getting a knock off.
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On Mar 28, 2021, ringmaster wrote:
Has anyone had experience with this illusion ? It is listed a variety of prices + shipping. I'd like to buy the original but really I can't.


What’s your budget?
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Do yourself a favor and buy from Losander, I just bought a refurbished table for $500 from him and its wonderful!. Don't buy from these cheep Chinese company's you will only be disappointed with the quality. we had a magician in our magic club a few years back and he came in and performed an original Losander floating table, a newer magician saw this and came in a few weeks later with a Chinese knock off and as he was performing with it, it fell and broke. The best thing to do is buy directly from Losander. Plus you get the support and help if anything goes wrong. I know the price is a little more then the knock offs but even if you buy a refurbished one, you'll get a quality piece of magic that will last a long time.

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As the old saying goes... you get what you pay for.
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ringmaster
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Do yourself a favor and buy from Losander, I just bought a refurbished table for $500 from him and its wonderful!. Don't buy from these cheep Chinese company's you will only be disappointed with the quality. we had a magician in our magic club a few years back and he came in and performed an original Losander floating table, a newer magician saw this and came in a few weeks later with a Chinese knock off and as he was performing with it, it fell and broke. The best thing to do is buy directly from Losander. Plus you get the support and help if anything goes wrong. I know the price is a little more then the knock offs but even if you buy a refurbished one, you'll get a quality piece of magic that will last a long time.


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Just order from Losander early. Its not like ordering from a magic retailer. I'm trying to replace an effect and have been waiting weeks with no correspondence from them.
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I will never understand the mindset of buying knock-offs.

If one can’t afford to pay for an original expensive prop then simply perform a different routine. There are plenty of magic tricks which are inexpensive that could fill into the same time slot in one’s show. Then over time when you’ve got more funds then “upgrade” to the prop you’ve always wanted.

The knock-offs wouldn’t exist if people didn’t buy them.
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Contact with Losander you will find a solution and the quality is much better and you are supporting the creators.
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Something I've found fascinating over the years is people who buy a cheap item and then write a review saying it doesn't do this or that, or fell apart, or the quality is bad. I see it all the time on Amazon: somebody buys a low-priced version of something else and then proceeds to write about how it doesn't have what the higher-priced one has. Some of those reviews are hilarious.
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I remember seeing one of those knock-offs, years ago. Hilarious! I understand it shattered before it arrived at the destination. I had a chance to look it over. The plastic it was made of had the wrong moisture content, so the plastic crumbled in my hands.
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Just wanted to add to this discussion. I did not think I wanted to get into the floating table as I just did not like any of the levitating effects I had tried. But, I had the opportunity to get an Original Losander table through Hocus Pocus with some of the credits I had built up. It was somewhat of a hassle and took two months to resolve - BUT...I received this wonderful prop and Losander's training (a download) was outstanding and made me rethink all of my magical/mentalist presentations. My biggest critics (family of course) watched me float this table and said it was the best effect I had ever done. I have already looked into upgrading. His support is outstanding, responds quickly to emails, and provides a phone number too. He will contact you personally if needed. There is a reason to buy from the original. I also tried getting a knock-off item - the Color Match system - what a fail! Just my two cents. Support the magicians who create and care about their product!
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The floating table is the perfect illusion - impressive magic that you can carry in a small briefcase. Thomas Clark made an excellent table years ago, but Losander asked him to stop making them - and he did. However you feel about that, Losander makes the ONLY floating table worth buying - plus he really is a great guy. The Chinese knock-offs are crap, and the cheaper ones don’t look enough like a real table to fool anyone. I saw a Knock-off at a convention, and the legs literally looked like 1/16” balsa wood. I can’t believe anyone would spend $750 for one of those
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I will never understand the mindset of buying knock-offs.

If one can’t afford to pay for an original expensive prop then simply perform a different routine. There are plenty of magic tricks which are inexpensive that could fill into the same time slot in one’s show. Then over time when you’ve got more funds then “upgrade” to the prop you’ve always wanted.

The knock-offs wouldn’t exist if people didn’t buy them.


There is nothing wrong with knock offs, people who use a sliding die box have many varied makes and versions, and the same can be said for thousands of Magic props from coins to illusions, all of which perform the same effect to an audience. I use 2 Chinese floating tables, both are excellent at at less than a quarter the price of a Losander table in 2025. Obviousl Losander wants you to purchase his "Tables" that is where he makes a living,he would also like you all to believe that the Chinese tables are of an inferior quality, this is known as being a salesman. My 2 Chinese tables are perfect, float really well, and are balanced nicely. One of them allows me to completely remove the candlestick to light it (well that is the illusion anyway) with the Losander you can only tilt the candle.
Magic has been copied for centuries, therte is nothing wrong with that at all. I purchased the original "Selfie catch"a few months back at a cost of £71, it lasted less than a week before falling apart. I then purchased a Chinese copy for £31 which is still going strong!!
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The difference being that the die boxes etc. fall into public domain whereas Losander is the creator of the table and is still around making them. Guess ethics is not a word in your vocabulary.
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Losander trademarked "LOSANDER'S FLOATING TABLE" (77574409) in 2008. To me, that means you cannot sell a floating table with his name in front of it. It does not mean you cannot sell a floating table. In fact, another person has trademarked "THE FLOATING TABLE" which is not magic related but connects to your bed. Floating tables were around long before Losander was making them. We all heard of Spirit tables. There are different methods for floating tables. Magicians were using the Karson Zombie gimmick to float tables decades before Losander. Losander improved on that by using the TW Zombie gimmick with the floating table in 1997. This is when it became very popular. Losander has permission to use the gimmick from TW estate, as he passed away in 2006. The estate was very generous in allowing people to make and use his inventions. There were some limitations, I am not sure if this falls in that category. I heard a rumor one of Losanders family member makes the tables. There has been a wide range of comments made about people ordering and not getting them on time. I have even heard rumors the quality is not the same, and some of the Chinese ones might be better. As always, buyer beware. With all that said, I would say if the table used the TW zombie gimmick, that was Losanders idea. If the tables look like the ones from his webpage, then he created that style. If you can afford to buy one, I would buy in person at a convention and test it out. He is a fellow magician, and I would rather support his family then some Chinese website. However, if it is a generic side table and does not use the TW gimmick, then it is free game. Losander does not have a monopoly on all floating tables.
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