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dougferguson
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I've read so many solutions to ACAAN that violate one of the A-words (any, at, any) that I decided to list the ideal "totally fair" effect and the corresponding ways to make the effect actually happen in the less-than-ideal world:

Totally fair conditions for ACAAN:
1. Spectator freely names aloud any playing card of 52 possibilities before the count
2. Spectator freely names aloud any number from 1 to 52 before the count
3. Genuine shuffle by spectator immediately before the count
4. Uninterrupted counting
5. Spectator does the dealing/counting face-up
6. Instant reveal
7. Uncomplicated reveal, preferably by the spectator
8. No pockets or envelopes or predictions
9. No card boxes or extra cards
10. No confederates or shills

Alternative conditions, each of which denies one of the A-words:

1. Peek or hand-selected force card *CAAN
2. Limited choice of numbers ACA*N
3. Adding or subtracting cards to the top of memorized or easy-order stack ACA*N
4. Delayed count to permit misdirection rotation of deck to face-up cards on bottom ACA*N
5. Bottom-dealing by performer AC*AN (thanks, Daniel Madison)
6. Delayed patter "could have been this or that card" to cover add-on by performer AC*AN
7. Curry(Turnover)/Marlo(Change)/Lorayne(Ultimate) card switch by performer AC*AN
8. Gimmicked reveal or outs *CA*N
9. Extra or removed cards hidden in the box ACA*N
10. Deck switch AC*AN

So far, the best I can find is *CAAN version with a Gamblers' Cop move (to allow the spectator to do the counting, if not freely naming "any"):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0j3jfmKfHg

No, I don't have a solution to the perfect ACAAN, but I propose my lists in hopes that someone might add to my thoughts or refute my assumptions or expand my initial thinking. Helpful comments welcome, not so much for snarky responses. Who do you think comes the closest to "totally fair"?
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I haven’t seen a perfect ACAAN yet. What I have done is ask the spectator to think of a card and number as I am shuffling the cards. I think if the performer doesn’t touch the cards then it is just a coincidence if the thought of card is at the thought of number. At no point, however, do I tell the spectator that their card will be at the specific number, they really don’t know where the effect is going. I then ask them to deal down face up to their number. I’ve performed this almost a hundred times and only one time has their card been at the chosen number and I was as surprised as they were. Of course, I never expect the card to be at the number which is why I have other effects that I go into depending on whether their thought of card was before or after the thought of number. It’s similar to a Dai Vernon effect that I don’t remember the name but it is basically a series of outs. The only way to be totally fair is to be totally fair, but the chances of being successful are very low.
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On May 9, 2021, dougferguson wrote:
1. Spectator freely names aloud any playing card of 52 possibilities before the count
2. Spectator freely names aloud any number from 1 to 52 before the count

Since you are talking about an ideal ACAAN, why not having the spectator just thinking a card and a number?

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3. Genuine shuffle by spectator immediately before the count

I think this is not an essential part of an ACAAN. It depends on how you want to present it. If the performer predicts the spectator's choices or the spectator can feel which card is at which position, then the spectator should not be allowed to shuffle.

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4. Uninterrupted counting

This is unnecessary too. I don't see nothing wrong with the possibility to allow the spectator to shuffle the cards while dealing/counting them.
What would a real mindreader do?
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It violates your rules, but I’ve found applesauce by Patrick Redford to be a phenomenal acaan
dougferguson
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The tentative rules are arbitrary, capricious, and overly strict, so I appreciate the nomination of anything you might consider phenomenal. Thanks! (I think "Storm" in the Applesauce book is pretty cool, too.)
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We could figure out the issue of the presence or absence of the shuffle based on a full description of the effect. Having the Four of Spades (or whatever) at number 38 (or whatever) isn't really the effect, but rather a result, with the actual effect being the case you make for what caused it to get there. In that situation, the shuffle might either be 100% totally necessary, or it may actually undermine the trick.
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I've seen this placement at position #38 (for example) done by controlling the chosen card to the top. So, you get a fair selection (or named card, if you want to go to the trouble of finding it and controlling it). Then, half-pass the top three cards to the bottom face-up. Then, palm off the bottom three cards (Gambler's Cop) just before offering the 49-card deck for a shuffle. Ask the spectator to deal a face-down pile and stop them before they reach #38, in this case, say STOP after they deal #35. Ask for the deck back so you can demonstrate how you now want the dealt cards face-up. (Of course, you add the palmed cards back to the bottom.) Deal #36 and 37, face-up, from the top as before. After #37, you point at the two exposed cards (large motion) just a half-beat before rotating your dealing hand palm down (small motion). Hand them the apparently-but-not-really-face-down deck ("here, you get to do the big reveal") to deal the face-down #38(?) face-up. At that point, there are still two face-down cards on top of the otherwise FU deck but you casually retrieve the deck from their hand, presumably with them distracted by utter surprise at their card at their number, whereupon you take back the deck to rotate it again and clean-up the unused cards on the bottom by your favorite method. The only ACAAN rule that is lost is the "uninterrupted" deal, but you have some justification at the point of drama to demonstrate a more dramatic reveal. They should mostly remember that it happened in their hands. They chose the card and the number, they shuffled, and they did most of the dealing, especially the last card. (You could steal more than 3 but the deck might look too thin with more cards missing.)
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HERE IS ONE OF MY MANY caan effects I 9 made this may years ago years ago I found on youtube


https://youtu.be/p5PLGncnAAA
Come check out my magic.

http://www.vinnymarini.com
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There's a Jerry Andrus routine wich that doesn't involve any shuffling, and it could work with any number... still, it's quite difficult to manage large numbers.
It's called "any card at any small number", if I remember it correctly.
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If I'm brutally honest, the actual concept of ACAAN leaves me cold.

At the end of the day, in the mindsets of an audience, it's just the revelation of a chosen playing card. So what?

I truly believe it's become a plot that Magicians like pondering various methods over; rather than being a commercial example of Card Magic.

Maybe I'm totally wrong........and dealing down to the (for example) 47th card from the top of the pack is wonderful entertainment? I doubt it though. Smile
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and dealing down to the (for example) 47th card from the top of the pack


Turn the deck face up and deal from the bottom.
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and dealing down to the (for example) 47th card from the top of the pack


Turn the deck face up and deal from the bottom.

Kind of defeats the object of them naming the 47th card then, doesn't it.

"Oh OK you wanted the 47th card.....so let's turn the pack face up and count backwards from 52". Because, of course, everyone knows there are 52 cards in a pack, don't they. In the UK, trust me, younger people don't.

What about if they name the 26th or 27th card? You can them give them an option (you could even use a Magician's Force or Equivoque) of counting from the top OR the bottom! Such wonderful, edge of the seat, gripping entertainment! Smile
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Mentalists have found ways to make a word on a piece of paper bring the house down.

I'm not a proponent of the idea that there's no such thing as a bad trick, but if you're able to come up with a good method to give the whole thing credibility, then there's something compelling about being able to make a freely-named item appear in a freely-named spot. While it does lean on presentation a lot harder than something like card-to-wallet, there's still something there at least worth thinking about.
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What Burnaby said.

We're not slaves to these tricks. We can make them impactful. In fact, that's our job.
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ACAAN is not unlike many tricks where magicians simply can't help themselves and proceed to invent alternative methods. There are lots of other examples. Ace Assemblies, Matrix, Triumph, and on and on. The value in it is that it gets the creative juices flowing and sometimes a variation comes along which is better than the original. But for the most part, they aren't, but rather just variations for sake of variation. They can tend towards going too far, getting really muddy as to the effect and subsequently leaving audiences wondering what the point was.

I agree with Merc Man personally. I never cared much for the plot. Certainly not as much as those who seem to think it is "the grail" and seek the most convincing methods. Some are literally obsessed. Heavy metal has a lot of fans and I never got that either. To each his/her own.

All this is not to say don't continue to do it. Keep on keeping on if that is what floats your boat. You aren't harming anyone. Although sometimes I wonder if it might be harming magic in some way. All one needs do is google "magician finds card at a selected number" and they will find hundreds if not thousands of methods. That simply can't be good.

By the way, just for fun I searched the phrase I listed above and it had 2,370,000 hits. Many of which refer to ACAAN.
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At the end of the day, in the mindsets of an audience, it's just the revelation of a chosen playing card. So what?


I think this is true IF the performer handles the cards. As a revelation at the end of a bog-standard card trick it is definitely dull.
Spectators can to explain it to themselves as just more clever sleight of hand. And it is certainly not "impossible" (hence magical) for a selected card to appear at a specific location in a deck - much betterl for it to appear in a pocket/wallet/sealed envelope/lemon etc.

For me the effect is only interesting when the magician apparently never touches the cards at all. Therefore clearly eliminating sleight of hands in the minds of the audience. Which makes it a purely mental effect. THIS is powerful.
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I don't think there is a requirement for the spectator to shuffle - if you regard the effect as mental magic.

Doug - your conditions (IMHO) should include that the performer does not touch the cards at all after the the card or number is named (whichever is named first). i.e. they should not be in possession of the deck at the point the second detail (card/number) is named by the spectator.
Your example method breaches this condition.

Also - your second list of "conditions" are not conditions at all in fact. They are descriptions of methods .

The best ACAAN I am aware of is Asi Wind's. His method uses one of the latter "conditions" [methods] you don't like. But the perception of the audience is that he never touches the cards - so the effect is incredibly pure and direct.
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1.The Best Impromptu ACAAN that I know in Which spectator can shuffle the cards as much as he like and genuinely name any card and number, is the H.G Effect By Shawn Farquhar .
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And where can we find the Farquahr Method ?

By the way, any chance to see an explanation of his Fool Us trick one day ?
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[quote]On May 20, 2021, Rush66 wrote:
And where can we find the Farquhar Method ?

https://www.palmermagic.com/product/h-g-......arquhar/

By the way, any chance to see an explanation of his Fool Us trick one day ?
Which one are you talking about he have performed 3 times. . Just PM me .
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