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shakuni
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Hi, Can you please suggest the available marked cards that pass the riffle test. It doesn't matter if they are coded or readers. Just looking for marked. Thank you.
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On Jun 9, 2021, shakuni wrote:
Hi, Can you please suggest the available marked cards that pass the riffle test. It doesn't matter if they are coded or readers. Just looking for marked. Thank you.


From what I've read, the DMC Elites pass the riffle test, as do the Brooklyn Playing Cards. Availability of either or both, I don't know.

I would think that most any of the cards that use "juice" or similar would pass the riffle test.
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I do not want to use juiced decks.
Brooklyns are not available.
DMC does pass the test, but they are really easy to spot if you look carefully. Smile
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I do not want to use juiced decks.
Brooklyns are not available.
DMC does pass the test, but they are really easy to spot if you look carefully. Smile


Why would anyone be looking that carefully at your cards? Maybe you need to give us more info on what you are doing with the cards and why, specifically, you mention the riffle test.
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I'm away from my books so I can't verify, but unless I've gone loopy there's a marking system in Expert Card Technique based on crimps which you should be able to modify using conventional marks in a way that would pass a riffle test.
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I’m with Tortuga on this - why are you worried about passing the riffle test?

Most lay audiences wouldn’t think marked cards are being used, they would think some sort of move, sleight or other manipulation
was being used. In any case very few would even know what the riffletest is. People who do know what the riffle test is are either other magicians or card players you do not want to mess with.

I was at a magic conference a couple of years ago and a well known magician showed off his homemade marking system. Basically it was the letter and number of the card (eg. AS.9D, 3D, etc.) written in white ink on the back of the card. Almost nobody could see the marking, until it was pointed out to them. Once it was, you felt like an idiot for not being able to see it because it was so blatant. Most commercially available marked decks are far more subtle.

Why run when you aren’t being chased?
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I apologize for the confusion, I do understand that there is no point in running when not being chased. But I am working on something which is a challenge situation. I "have to" rule out marked card as a possible solution, and yet the method is marking of cards, which is why I need cards that can pass riffle test.

Thanks to our kind magic family on themagiccafe, I do understand all the points raised above, but at this time, I only need suggestions for decks that can pass even a careful examination.

Thank you.
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On Jun 10, 2021, shakuni wrote:
I apologize for the confusion, I do understand that there is no point in running when not being chased. But I am working on something which is a challenge situation. I "have to" rule out marked card as a possible solution, and yet the method is marking of cards, which is why I need cards that can pass riffle test.

Thanks to our kind magic family on themagiccafe, I do understand all the points raised above, but at this time, I only need suggestions for decks that can pass even a careful examination.

Thank you.


Edge marking...

Butterfly deck?
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I "have to" rule out marked card as a possible solution, and yet the method is marking of cards, which is why I need cards that can pass riffle test.


I wouldn't fret about the markings being as subtle as possible. We all know that markings can be too subtle. You want a reliable method, after all.

Always ask yourself: "WWHD?"

What Would Hamman Do? Hamman would spread a stacked deck face up on the table. And it would fly because it was so bold.

Similarly, start your demonstration by saying, "Have you ever heard of the riffle test? Gamblers used to ruffle the cards and watch for any marks that might fly by. Here, give these cards a riffle test to make sure they aren't marked. They aren't, but most people think that's how I do all my tricks."

Coolly and confidently hand them your marked deck, and walk them through the test.

This works for three reasons: 1) Laymen aren't likely to think that you'd be so bold as to put the method in their hands and tell them to look for it; 2) laymen have probably never handled a professional-grade marked deck; 3) laymen have almost certainly never heard of or executed a riffle test — they'll have no idea what to look for.

By the way: "Don't run when you're not being chased" is generally poor advice. Magicians claim to do the impossible — consequently, we're always being "chased". In fact, if you're not being chased, then that means your audience is either bored, not fooled, or both. The trick is to get miles ahead of them without breaking a sweat.
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On Jun 10, 2021, Rupert Pupkin wrote:
By the way: "Don't run when you're not being chased" is generally poor advice. Magicians claim to do the impossible — consequently, we're always being "chased". In fact, if you're not being chased, then that means your audience is either bored, not fooled, or both. The trick is to get miles ahead of them without breaking a sweat.

Hear Hear!

Anyway, referring to the OP-
The whole premise sounds a bit weird to me. Why do you "have to rule out marked cards"? I think it would be better just not to mention them.

And the idea that DMC marks are "easily" seen if you "look carefully" is a mutual contradiction. Sounds like you are looking for the impossible - a marked deck that is totally undetectable. It doesn't exist.

I suppose you could just do a deck switch.

Or maybe you could construct a deck that mixed marked & unmarked cards, so that some could be examined.
(If you used the Svengali principle you could do the rifle test)

Or maybe mark a deck yourself - at one end only.

BUT If you try to "prove the cards are not marked" but you still need to see the back of the cards, I think you will be unconvincing.
if you really want to allay suspicion there are other approaches.
EG you could uses a marked deck in stacked order. Then let a spectator take a card without you looking. You just need to read the next card to know the selection. Since you never see the selection, marked cards are ruled out. (Actually a lot of great effects can be achieved by using a stack INSTEAD of a marked deck)
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Luke Jermay riffles the deck to a spectator in one of his routines to prove they aren’t marked. They are, and they don’t pass the riffle test. No one is the wiser. 🤷‍♂️
My go to are Brooklyn’s. If they aren’t available there are great marked decks or diy solutions. Ted Lesley’s might work for you. If you shrink and center the markings it’d pass the ruffle test.
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Brooklyns are the best as passing the riffle test, if you can find some. I found some a few months ago and picked up all the ones I could get my hands on. Smile Just pulled out a deck and did the riffle test and you can't see a *** thing. They're so good (though they also take some practice to be able to read on the fly).

DMC Elites will likely fool those who don't have much experience. But if they're magicians they'll likely spot them. Same with the Butterfly deck.
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DMC Elites will likely fool those who don't have much experience. But if they're magicians they'll likely spot them. Same with the Butterfly deck.


I think it does very much depend on who the OP is trying to fool. Magicians will recognise DMC Elites because they know about magic products. That doesn't mean they are easy to read or suspicious looking to the uninitiated.

I would be really interested to hear more detail about what he is actually trying to achieve. It's quite an intriguing question!
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