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Scott Special user UK 843 Posts 
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On Jul 1, 2021, Ustaad wrote: I couldn't agree more. Over the past two years, I've had the privilege of being contacted by some very innovative thinkers in the world of mentalism, younger guys and one very very talented girl. Most of them have either sent me a PDF of a routine or two or messaged me with a video attachment. The reason they have contacted me is out of courtesy because the routines they've designed are based on something I've released in the past and they want to know if I'm happy for them to perform the ideas professionally, which of course I am. Actually I am more than happy, especially when someone takes an idea and works with it until it is much better than the original. To say these guys have taken a couple of idea's I've shared, and have rocketed them to the next level is an understatement, but none of those I've spoken to so far has any intention of sharing what they have come up with, because they want to actually use the material and simply don't want it to get ripped off and shared by every man and his dog. This attitude of 'keep it exclusive for as long as possible' is how magic and mentalism progressed in the past and I can see it reverting back to that level of secrecy, which of course could eventually lead, as Ustaad has suggested, to a general lack of fresh thinking/ideas being shared and therefore a market that consists of little more than revamped magic and mentalism. How do you protect the creators rights? I have no idea I'm not sure it is possible to police the beast that is the internet. How do you stop a brilliant and innovative idea being ripped off by unscrupulous, untalented thieves. Simple, keep your best stuff to yourself. Cynical I know. |
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Papa Legba Special user home-an unremarkable spiral arm of an insignificant galaxy 757 Posts
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On Jul 1, 2021, Paul Carnazzo wrote: I was referring to the specific case of the effect on your "coming soon" page. If the effect was not released (therefore no copying of method is possible) and the image was only 'similar', then we are left with the fact that only the name of the effect was 'copied'.
Use the FORCE Luke.
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Kaliix Inner circle Connecticut 2137 Posts
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You should keep your best stuff to yourself. From all I've read and heard, magicians don't make a crap ton of money selling effects anyways. I would think a magician/mentalist would want to keep those special workers that they've created to themselves for as long as they are actively performing and making money off their act. Those effects are serious points of differentiation. Don't quality performers have a problem with others straight ripping off their act from just seeing it? Once a performer has gotten enough mileage out of an effect, then I could see selling it, but before that, I'd keep it to myself.
It is too bad that those magicians who do want to sell their effects to make money/contribute to the art can't do so without being stolen from though. Maybe magicians need a more exclusive/trusted group or club to sell to? Quote: On Jul 2, 2021, Scott wrote:
Know that adversity is promised to all of us, what we do with it is what makes us special.
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Wravyn Inner circle 4246 Posts
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On Jul 1, 2021, Ustaad wrote: Steve Dusheck did the same thing. |
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Paul Carnazzo Inner circle 1180 Posts
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On Jul 2, 2021, Papa Legba wrote: Sorry, I misunderstood. Well, his “release“ of the product modeled after my “coming soon“ product was made available after I had a discussion with the individual on eBay and asked him to remove my Copied items, which I believe was done simply out of spite. I didn’t really have a complaint about this, just drawing attention to this person’s character. These actions did cause me to rename and create new artwork for true effect in question. Just curious, are you suggesting that it would be OK for someone to go to say Alakazam‘s website and see an item that is labeled coming soon, and then release of product with the exact same name and subtitle and very similar artwork? If so, do you think the magic community would be OK with this? |
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Papa Legba Special user home-an unremarkable spiral arm of an insignificant galaxy 757 Posts
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On Jul 2, 2021, Paul Carnazzo wrote: Just wanted a specific point clarifying.
Use the FORCE Luke.
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1KJ Inner circle Warning: We will run out of new tricks in 4392 Posts
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I think it is a HUGE mistake to ban people from discussion. I know that a private forum isn't required to abide by free speech, but it is a powerful principle that they SHOULD abide by. It's not about whether you HAVE TO, its about whether you SHOULD. I don't know what you think you are accomplishing by banning someone you find distasteful or perhaps offensive. Maybe the offensive person will learn something from people's replies. We would like to think that everyone has thought through these things, but some people genuinely need some guidance on what others consider basic issues, like good moral judgement. Contrary to what some people think, you aren't born with ANY moral judgement. These are all things you learn. Sadly, in our society, too many people are learning the WRONG moral judgements. You might say that is not the objective of this forum, to which I would say that the objective of this forum is to advance the art, and the art really could use a lot of help in the area of moral judgement. A forum like this CAN be a place for people to develop their own moral compass which would lead to a better magic community ...
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Mad Jake Inner circle All the voices in my head helped me make 2305 Posts
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[quote]On Jun 27, 2021, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
Other wise there would be no market for dealers who sell coin shells and gaffs for routines you already know yet you may have lost the shell etc etc. A prime example which is current is lethal tender, I love my Sterling version which is beautifully made with the exact coin I want. The Airship one which at the moment is going through some teething problems but will definately be perfected by Jake and Frederick doesn’t use the coins I want. Nor does Envisage by Dave Loosley I have it but I prefer the Chinese coins so what does one do. If according to Jake only Sterling and they have ever had the legal tender production rights so to speak does that mean that the Alakazam one is a rip off? Gaz, yes exactly. Any version of Lethal Tender is a rip off other than the "Original Sterling" and ours. But it's not just Steve Dusheck, it's a lot of creators, including myself. And even BIG names in magic will rip you off and not even give you credit for your creation. Two such that ripped me off as a teenager when I worked with my father at RNT2 was Brett Sherwood and Wellington Magic. But no one will recognize my work as being mine because my name isn't big enough. It's a *** shame. Thanks for the tip on Alakazam, they'll be receiving a burn notice (C&D) notice.
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trebeseer New user S FL 53 Posts
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Scott is right. You need to keep it private until you're done using it. Maybe even conceal it forever.
While first learning about serious pro mentalists, of course I wasn't surprised to see their posted videos of performances. They want to be hired to perform. What surprised me is seeing many of them, famous and not-so-famous, actually selling their secrets online - even under the same name! (Aside: If I were the creator/performer I'd be afraid someone would approach me with my book in hand at a gig and say, "Hey! You said it was real!") No one can blame any performer for wanting to augment their income by selling their stuff. But, in my humble opinion, the internet is not the place for magicians & mentalists to sell their best creations. It's just too easy to get ripped off. I read a biography of Thurston and learned he and many others sold magic books in the back of the theatres after shows. Indeed, it's a long tradition. I read such a Thurston magic book and I bet there was not a single effect in his show that was also in the book. It was just easy stuff for laymen. I predict magic & mentalism creators will abandon selling their secrets on the internet to everyone. They will go back to selling one at a time as the old magic shops did, and with the added wrinkle of first ID-ing their customers as being somehow "qualified". And "qualified" will mean more than having a pulse and cash in hand. It will make it tougher and more expensive for students like me trying to learn the art. But the pro club needs to be more exclusive as it used to be. |
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Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 7130 Posts
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In 1993, I was planning to release some effects and a book of my work that is unique to me. I decided not to. I was going to use a manufacturer in China. For all the above reasons, I am SO thankful I scrapped the idea! I have never looked back.
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Bietfriek Special user Bye, bye after 503 Posts
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On Jul 2, 2021, 1KJ wrote: Exactly that. Discussions need to be respectful but sometimes they are shut down too easy and too fast. Choosing the path with the least resistance most of the time isn’t good. But how many times there could be a conflict of interest? The current market is “booming” and I sincerely hope a lot of bright minds will keep their material “underground”. |
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Race Blakhart Special user Selma,CA 628 Posts
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On Jun 28, 2021, Papa Legba wrote: How can you say that? Please elaborate on your claim. The idea that Christopher is just making this up is simply outrageous. Everyone who knows Christopher Taylor knows he's a wonderfully creative and intelligent artist, and I don't see a single reason he'd have for lying about something like this. He puts all of his effort and creativity into his products/routines/methods/etc. He would not have taken the time to start this thread if it was all fabrication. |
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Papa Legba Special user home-an unremarkable spiral arm of an insignificant galaxy 757 Posts
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@Race Blakhart
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On Jun 22, 2021, Christopher Taylor wrote: Quote:
On Jun 28, 2021, Papa Legba wrote: CT is prevaricating when he refers to my "Schrodinger's Cat" effect. He has no such named effect, his is called "The Schrodinger Ploy" CT has chosen not to respond to my statement that his effect "The Schrodinger Ploy" and Dr Dark's effect "Schrodinger's Cat" are totally different. 'That's Cool' may well have been selling a direct rip-off of CTs effect but Dr Dark is clearly not. My impression is that CT believes he has ownership of the phrase "Schrodinger's Cat" and thinks this gives him license to accuse and insult as he sees fit. CT owes Dr Dark an apology.
Use the FORCE Luke.
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Samuel Catoe Inner circle South Carolina 1258 Posts
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On Nov 28, 2021, Papa Legba wrote: Dr Dark is a rip off artist, CLEARLY, and a simple two minute search of his items being sold TODAY on eBay proved that to me. Christopher owes him absolutely nothing.
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Race Blakhart Special user Selma,CA 628 Posts
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On Nov 28, 2021, Papa Legba wrote: Spend 30 seconds looking at Dark's page and you can see he's clearly a professional rip-off seller. Chris owes him nothing of the sort. |
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