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danfreed
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That actually does sound like a scam now that you explained their communication in more detail. I'm guessing they are just easing into the scam so it's not as obvious.
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Or they don't want the hundreds of contacts from desperate magicians so they want to limit contact and the ability to be spammed into oblivion.

It is what I would do.
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On Jul 9, 2021, spcarlson wrote:
Thank you to everyone for all your thoughts and input it is much appreciated!

To answer a few good questions, the gig is a private one, a 10 year old girl’s birthday party. When booking children’s birthday parties, unless it’s booked through an agent, I almost always talk with the parent. The bid I gave them was my top birthday party fee. The phone area code is Texas, I live in Minneapolis, but this is not unusual.

In my original text conversation I asked about the location of the event. The address they gave me, after some checking, appears to be unoccupied.

I am going to proceed and see where it goes. It’s a puzzler, it’s one of those gig inquiries that just doesn’t feel right. I am sure you all have had them as well.

Presently I have directed them to book me through an internet booking site this way they can use their CC.


I had someone try to book me a few years ago, it sounds almost identical. I'm originally from NH, but am now living in Branson MO. They wanted to
book the gig in NH and the client only wanted to communicate through text. The address he gave back in NH was also unoccupied! A party he wanted
indoors with 150 people in a 1200 sf house! I tried to convince him to book someone local as it would be cost prohibitive to bring me in, this didn't seem to bother him. Eventually I told him I had other commitments that would keep me from his event. He eventually relented.
The following day he texted me again asking for a "favor"!
He asked if I was familiar with the Zelle app?!
I told him it wasn't going to happen!!

That was the end of the conversation. I never heard from him again...surprisingly!!!

Mark
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If I looked up an address for a prospective gig, and it turned out to be an uninhabited dwelling - we'd be done. No further contact.

~Oscar
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On Jul 9, 2021, spcarlson wrote:
You know Danny I really don’t have clue what the scam could be? It just doesn’t feel right.

My first thought was they charge the fee to a bogus card and then request a refund days later? And I'm unable to charge it back to their card?
I too feel comfortable with credit card transactions because of the protections. But I couldn’t help but thinking, am I missing something here?

I posted this here thinking that if I am “missing something” someone here will have some info.

I am sure I am being a little over cautious.

The credit card pre-payment was only part of it there were numerous other, what I might call possible red flags. Not wanting to communicate via phone nor email (which was a gmail account). The client had very unusual and almost unpronounceable name, gender is unclear. Unusual wording and poor grammar in their texts. Vague information about the party and unclear answers to my questions about the party i.e. how many guests, will it be all children or some adults, inside or out. They weren’t even sure about the exact show date.

They originally requested 2 hours of magic and mentioned they had a nice budget. I informed them my birthday show was 30 minutes long and offered them my very best children’s show at my top price. This usually starts some dialog going with the client. They came back very quickly saying that 30 minutes was fine and my price was very reasonable, here are their exact words,

“That sounds good. I'm very much satisfied with the total estimate, quite affordable . Here's an exclusive just to show some seriousness and dedication to secure the date.I am willing to pay up the full payment with my credit card today.”

An internet check of their name, phone and address turned up nothing. The house address they gave me for the party location is an unoccupied dwelling.

I have encouraged them to book the party through an internet site that way they can use their CC and I have an extra layer of protection. I’ll see how they respond.

Thanks again everyone for your thoughts and information!


Your instincts turned out to be correct. You played it right. Always good to play it safe with these things.

A few weeks ago I called the number on the back of my card for my dental insurance. Everything was going decent, but something was off even if I couldn't identify it at the time during the call. The person said all the right things, but eventually they wanted too much information from me before confirming what I needed to hear to fix an issue I had. Their reasons made sense (in a way) to secure my identity. Didn't need social, or anything, but they knew exactly what to say, what to ask, and knew how to address me and my concerns up to that one point.

Finally, I told them I wasn't sure about who I was calling, as if I didn't hear, and told them I was trying to update my card for my *whatever* bill (a fake thing I made up). When he agreed that's what they were trying to do, I knew it was a scam for sure at that point, then I was mad, so I played with them a bit as I was curious. They were good, really good.

And I called them! BUT, I was off one number from the number on the card by accident. And he made me feel comfortable, I thought I was crazy for worrying about trying to confirm more (he eventually wanted the card that was expired--and it legitimately was--before doing what I needed them to do. He got nothing, in the end.

Anyway, your thing would have raised red flags with me too, even if I couldn't put my finger on it at first, like you.
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So let me understand. YOU called the wrong number and you think someone was trying to scam you? What must the odds be of you being off by ONE number, and that connecting you with someone who was all set up to try to run an identity theft scam? They have to astronomical! I mean how exactly did he answer the phone in the first place? How was he just so prepared to try to take you off in the con when he had no idea you would even be calling in the first place? This is fascinating.
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Nathan Alexander
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It was. Want the number to see for yourself? 😆

I called MetLife (or so I thought).

1-844-2METDEN (1-844-263-8336)

I dialed, 1-844-263-7336

Have some fun. See for yourself. I have no idea, obviously a coincidence.
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PS, Danny, relax, my friend, you always seem so jaded and upset.

But seriously, you can't make this stuff up. Call for yourself.
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I just called by the way, that first time I did, I got a guy answering in a call center for billing. And it went from there. The last two times I just did now, it was car insurance and a chance to win something.

Whatever.
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Jaded and upset? I said I was fascinated by what happened to you and simply asked questins about it to learn more.

What exactly about that seems Jaded or upset to you?

I am afraid you are putting all that in on your own. Might be a you issue more than a me issue. All I did was express interest in a story you told us. I am sorry that seems jaded and upset.
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Oh, then I did read you wrong. If you're being honest, I'm sorry.
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This sounded vaguely familiar, so I did a search . . . here is a discussion of a similar situation:

https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view......02048#19
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The thing with the overpayment scam is simply this. If you run your business like a business it can't happen. You won't cash a check and send the overage. NO accountant in a legitimate company would allow such a thing. So the key to not being scammed is usually to run legitimate business practices.
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On Aug 9, 2021, Dannydoyle wrote:
So let me understand. YOU called the wrong number and you think someone was trying to scam you? What must the odds be of you being off by ONE number, and that connecting you with someone who was all set up to try to run an identity theft scam? They have to astronomical! I mean how exactly did he answer the phone in the first place? How was he just so prepared to try to take you off in the con when he had no idea you would even be calling in the first place? This is fascinating.


If I were running a scam. The first thing I'd do is get numbers that were off from the main number by one. (That would require fourteen lines, but that's not a problem.) That way, they THINK they've called the right person, and I get their info and run with it.
"There's no time to lose," I heard her say.
"Catch your dreams before they slip away."
"Dying all the time, lose your dreams and you could lose your mind.
Ain't life unkind?"
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On Aug 9, 2021, Dannydoyle wrote:
So let me understand. YOU called the wrong number and you think someone was trying to scam you? What must the odds be of you being off by ONE number, and that connecting you with someone who was all set up to try to run an identity theft scam? They have to astronomical! I mean how exactly did he answer the phone in the first place? How was he just so prepared to try to take you off in the con when he had no idea you would even be calling in the first place? This is fascinating.


If I were running a scam. The first thing I'd do is get numbers that were off from the main number by one. (That would require fourteen lines, but that's not a problem.) That way, they THINK they've called the right person, and I get their info and run with it.

Clearly you know quite little about how scams work.

But go ahead. Use this method.
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On Oct 8, 2021, ed rhodes wrote:
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On Aug 9, 2021, Dannydoyle wrote:
So let me understand. YOU called the wrong number and you think someone was trying to scam you? What must the odds be of you being off by ONE number, and that connecting you with someone who was all set up to try to run an identity theft scam? They have to astronomical! I mean how exactly did he answer the phone in the first place? How was he just so prepared to try to take you off in the con when he had no idea you would even be calling in the first place? This is fascinating.


If I were running a scam. The first thing I'd do is get numbers that were off from the main number by one. (That would require fourteen lines, but that's not a problem.) That way, they THINK they've called the right person, and I get their info and run with it.

Clearly you know quite little about how scams work.

But go ahead. Use this method.


Actually, I don't. But you would have to let me know what's wrong with the plan instead of just being snotty.
"There's no time to lose," I heard her say.
"Catch your dreams before they slip away."
"Dying all the time, lose your dreams and you could lose your mind.
Ain't life unkind?"
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It would take WAY too long to go through all the problems with the idea.

First off those numbers even have to be available. And why exactly is having 14 lines not a a problem again?
Danny Doyle
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