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1KJ is your non gimmick version with cards face down as well or do you use yours with face up cards? I have a tip for people who have this and that is a short card placed at just the right spot makes everything look more natural I think those who have this will know exactly what I'm saying. So far this effect has served me very well I'm getting really good reactions from this.

Good magic to all,


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While the face down version as taught is devilish, I will likely use this more often using 21 borrowed cards.

The only change is at the revelation; I will deal all the cards face up except for the selection which is the only card dealt face down. Opposite to what Mike does.
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I use old Casino cards that were used at gambling tables. I have them gimmick in such a way you would not feel it at all unless if you know what to feel for. What I tell people at the beginning is these are old cards they were used in casinos so be careful no cards are sticking together. After they've handled the cards I'll take them back from them and as I am counting I pretend the two cards are sticking together at this point I say I better slow down a little bit I don't want to mess this up and then I start dealing very slow while feeling for what I need to feel for. And all I can tell you is the reaction to this has been phenomenal. So I will basically be doing it the way it's taught and continue to use my old used Casino cards as they are perfect cover and by the way you can buy old used Casino cards at the Family Dollar stores out there for $1.

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On Jul 15, 2021, The great Gumbini wrote:
1KJ is your non gimmick version with cards face down as well or do you use yours with face up cards? I have a tip for people who have this and that is a short card placed at just the right spot makes everything look more natural I think those who have this will know exactly what I'm saying. So far this effect has served me very well I'm getting really good reactions from this.

Good magic to all,


Eric


Yes, my version is with the cards face down, and I perform it either with a gimmick that is always in my deck or without a gimmick with a borrowed deck, also face down.
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BTW, note on handling for face down versions: I think it is good to simulate the original 21 card trick, but done psychically. I ask the participant to use their psychic abilities to point to a pile. I keep it generic so after the effect, they are convinced that they picked everything face down.
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I find that I am typically doing this much more impossible version of the 21 card trick after someone does the standard 21 card trick at a casual gathering. Not to show them up, but to take it up a notch. That is why I try to make it feel like the original, just with all the cards face down, and having them use their "psychic powers" to identify the piles that may contain their card. As they pick a pile, I pick that pile up first, and then I place the other piles wherever I need them to be so that their card gets controlled alternately to the bottom, then top, then bottom.

I find that if it feels like the same trick to the group watching it, it comes across much stronger, and much more impossible. I have tried this the way Mike performs it, and I'm not saying it is a bad trick, on the contrary, it is a GREAT trick, but it feels like a different trick. I then modified it a bit, more and more each time I performed it, to make it feel more and more like the original, just dealing cards face down three times into three rows, and the reaction is MUCH stronger. Because you won't always be in a situation where someone does the standard 21 card trick, I have performed the trick, asking them if they have ever seen this trick before. Typically they say they have. Sometimes, if they know exactly how the trick is going to end, I don't go all the way through with it, I then go into the much more impossible version.

Also, I learned from my mentor, Jeff McBride, that it can be more powerful sometimes to turn a "pick a card" routine into a "thought of card" routine. This routine lends itself to that because the traditional version is a "thought of card" routine. For this reason, I start out by saying to them that the 21 card trick is really good, but there are a couple limitations to it. First, you are thinking of a card amongst only 21, and I want you to think of any of the 52 cards. I ask them to take it out and show it to everyone else without saying what it is. Then while I'm performing it face down, I say that the other limitation is that the cards are normally dealt face up, and people don't even realize that sometimes they have psychic powers, so we'll do it all face down.

If you make the person who performed the standard 21 card trick the psychic, you are giving them the power instead of taking it away from them by doing the trick better. I have performed this a few times following someone doing the 21 card trick and I go out of my way to praise them and demonstrate their untapped powers.

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KJ I'm going to do this and explain to them with the cards face up is how a magician does this affect but with the cards face down is how a mentalist does this card affect. And I believe that will go over very well I have not actually tried it out yet but I came up with the idea and I've been toying with it a little bit as always if you like the idea please feel free to use it.

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On Jul 16, 2021, The great Gumbini wrote:
KJ I'm going to do this and explain to them with the cards face up is how a magician does this affect but with the cards face down is how a mentalist does this card affect. And I believe that will go over very well I have not actually tried it out yet but I came up with the idea and I've been toying with it a little bit as always if you like the idea please feel free to use it.

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Yes, that makes sense to me. If they do the traditional 21 card trick, then you are golden, but that rarely happens, so I have performed the traditional version and then the "impossible" version. I like the "you may have seen this version" approach, but the magician vs mentalist approach is brilliant! Thanks for that great idea!

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You are very welcome I'm glad that you like it. In my show there are a few effects that I perform under the guise of this is how a magician would do it and this now is how a mentalist will do it. Some of the props that I've purchased over the years lend themselves to this idea very nicely. For example the color cube by Tim Weissman I first show how a magician would do it while I am holding onto the cube after the participant put the color he or she wants face up then hands it back to me I hold onto it and do the standard color Cube presentation. Then I show them how a mentalist would do it where I hand them the cube have them place the color that they want face up cover it up and they hold on to it I then tell them what color is face up. Certain effects are perfect for that.

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I bought this recently and love it. Simple to do, hits nicely and leverages the 21 card trick beautifully. I really like Mike’s taught version, but have been playing around with some variables to “make it mine” (as we are wont to do ! !).

They main ‘method’ change I am contemplating (and practicing) involves a m****d deck, obviating the need for the taught method of identifying the important cards, but it does add some memory tasks, which won’t suit everyone. I hope I have been clear … and vague … enough.

I also love the ideas put forward by KJ and Eric above and have taken notes to include some of that in the final version that I decide to run with.

Awesome effect - well done Mr Powers.
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I do this effect but I use the cards from Marc Spelman's The Gallery, the way the cards are super subtly marked, makes this a small miracle and using the more emotive images allows for a great back story about emotional connections
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A face up version using the same selection procedure was taught in my Murphy's lecture. It's completely impromptu i.e. borrowed deck etc. As you deal FU, you'll know when the selected card is about to be dealt and can deal it FD. There are alternate ways to end as well including an "invisible card" ending where you seem to only have 20 cards having turned the selection invisible.

The Knowing derives its power from the fact that the cards are always FD. How could you know anything??

Mike
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A face up version using the same selection procedure was taught in my Murphy's lecture. It's completely impromptu i.e. borrowed deck etc. As you deal FU, you'll know when the selected card is about to be dealt and can deal it FD. There are alternate ways to end as well including an "invisible card" ending where you seem to only have 20 cards having turned the selection invisible.

The Knowing derives its power from the fact that the cards are always FD. How could you know anything??

Mike


I think the idea of dealing the cards out FU and leaving the selected card FD is awesome.
Then as from the original 21 card trick just innocently ask the spectator which row is your card in?
If the spectator says they don't see it then simply turn the selected card FU.
Let someone try to reverse engineer that....
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My Unbiased Magic Review of The Knowing here:

https://youtu.be/AvRBfnZlX8w
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On Jan 21, 2022, UnbiasedMagicReviews wrote:
My Unbiased Magic Review of The Knowing here:

https://youtu.be/AvRBfnZlX8w


I will not comment on your review, as I don't necessarily agree with all of it, but recognise that each of us have a different way of looking at card effects. Nonetheless, I have taken a few notes from your review to target some further reading, so thanks for that.

One thing I did want to say is that the lack of information about preparing the cards, that you refer to, was definitely NOT the case with my purchase. In fact, Eric Tait (from Penguin) followed on from Mike (on the very same download file) with very detailed instructions (13 mins?) on the process for setting up the 3 cards necessary for Mike's effect. The download also included a separate pdf, with further information on this same technique, as well as generally helpful info.

I was actually very impressed with how much info was provided on this part of the effect.

Maybe your download was an older version...
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Armed with some of the good ideas from this thread, I switch my reveal around a bit to suit the circumstances of the day, including where it sits in my (amateur) set. If it is part of an impromptu set of a few tricks, I think the quick ending suits well. However, if I am doing it as a one-off trick, I occasionally make the finish a bit bigger than the more sudden ending. In those times, I try to lean more towards mentalism than magic.

Hence, I have been playing around with a mentalism reveal for this, utilising some of the ideas on here, intertwined with how I like to finish effects off. The below is what I have come up with so far, albeit still WIP. It is a mix of patter and method, so please forgive the content and context confusion. Hopefully you can see enough of it to offer feedback. Assume the normal process has been followed up to dealing out the 21 cards, which now appear face up in 3 rows . . .

“A magician will ask you which row your card is in and then he will collect the cards with your chosen row in the middle, deal them out and use math to do the same process 2 more times to get to the 11th card - and then he will reveal your card with some sort of interesting selection ruse.
A mentalist might try it this way:
* I will look for a verbal tell first. Please answer ‘yes’ to each of these next 3 questions - only yes, with no hint of anything that would lead me to know which row your card is in. Ask the spectator the same question - “is your card in this row?” (x3). OK, that is the verbal give away done. Remove the other 2 rows.
* Then say you will try to find a non-verbal tell this time - and ask the spec to gently shake their head at the next 2 questions, indicating ‘no’ to both of them. Understand? Good, is your card red? Is your card black? OK, a non-verbal reaction is never as clear, but it seemed clear enough - remove the other colour. If only one or two cards of one colour are shown, then switch to picture cards vs spots, or odds vs evens, etc. Look to reduce the choice to 3 or 4 cards.
* Finally, we will go with thought alone - this one is the hardest by far. Now please close your eyes and think only of your card, please keep your eyes closed until I ask you to open them again. Picture your card in your mind. Without saying anything out loud, say your card to yourself - inside your head. Again, keep your eyes closed, as it helps you to think only of this process. While their eyes are closed, pick up the remaining cards, look through them without showing other the spectators and remove all the unwanted cards. Place the selection in front of them, face down. Give the spectators a quizzical look and a shrug of the shoulders, lightly hamming up some doubt.
* Say - as you open your eyes, please tell us all what your card is. They say it - then ask them to turn over the card in front of them“.

Keen to hear some feedback. As a rank amateur, I am open to learn.

I do love this effect.
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