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Tom G
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Gary Plants has some great work on the Zarrow also.
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On Jul 17, 2021, Tom G wrote:
Gary Plants has some great work on the Zarrow also.


That's for sure!
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I spent a couple of evenings playing around with the PUSH THROUGH shuffle.
I'm finding it easier than I expected. At first I was "losing' cards during the push-through. Now I seem to have eradicated that problem. I'm doing it slowly and carefully, but it is getting smoother. Just been practicing while watching the TV. I need to look at my hands to do the actual riffle; but now doing the push-through & "cut" by touch.
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I spent a couple of evenings playing around with the PUSH THROUGH shuffle.
I'm finding it easier than I expected. At first I was "losing' cards during the push-through. Now I seem to have eradicated that problem.


That's the easy part. The hard part is to make it look like a real shuffle and cut. If you film yourself for a minute or two doing at random real shuffles and push-thrus, when you watch the video, at what moment do you know which shuffle you're doing?

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Recently Frank Deville taught a very easy false riffle shuffle in this Penguin Live Lecture, it was very similar to Guy Hollingworth's false shuffle.
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On Jul 17, 2021, Nikodemus wrote:
I spent a couple of evenings playing around with the PUSH THROUGH shuffle.
I'm finding it easier than I expected. At first I was "losing' cards during the push-through. Now I seem to have eradicated that problem.


That's the easy part. The hard part is to make it look like a real shuffle and cut. If you film yourself for a minute or two doing at random real shuffles and push-thrus, when you watch the video, at what moment do you know which shuffle you're doing?

P!


Thanks everyone for the great suggestions. Including those of you who questioned whether I actually really need to do a false full-deck riffle shuffle at all. This is a valid point, so has given me some pause for thought.

I have got to the point with both the Zarrow and Push-Through where I can do both in a smooth relaxed way, rather than looking awkward and furtive.
But neither (yet) would survive anyone burning my hands. This is ok for me, because as a hobbyist, I don't feel I need to worry too much about expert scrutiny. But I will of course continue practicing, and trying to cover up the flashes.

I can't do a very good (genuine) waterfall shuffle yet so will keep working on that before trying to do a false one.


I found this demo of the Guy Hollingsworth ITH shuffle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ72i9WuV6g

Also he does a Push-Through at the end (08.50)
I don't like being rude about another magician, but I think my push-through is already miles better than his!
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With all due respect, are we giving up any pretense of maintaining secrecy anymore? This makes two videos in the last few days that are "tutorials". Not that the people doing the teaching can even do what they are teaching very well.

I just need to know if something has changed.
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Also he does a Push-Through at the end (08.50)
I don't like being rude about another magician, but I think my push-through is already miles better than his!


Please don't learn from this guy. Not only is he very bad, but he clearly doesn't even know what a push-through should look like...
For comparison, I'm new at it, I suck, and here's mine using a sticky deck: https://youtu.be/xqMrruBOFHk

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With all due respect, are we giving up any pretense of maintaining secrecy anymore? This makes two videos in the last few days that are "tutorials". Not that the people doing the teaching can even do what they are teaching very well.

I just need to know if something has changed.


Secrecy is a relic from a bygone era where most people believed that magic was real. This is no longer the case, most people now know that secret moves are sometimes involved in magic act. It is up to the modern magicians to adapt and innovate effects and methods rather than trying to hide behind a broken wall of secrecy.
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No, secrecy was, up until recently a matter of fact. Methods were guarded. Then people got lazy. Then others flaunted the rules or the code. People love getting things free. Xerox was the culprit then video then downloads that are shared. Why buy the cow when the milk is free? Tempted to buy a book? Nah, wait until you can buy it off of a pirate site for $1.99.

Those of us who believe it has gone too far are seen as unenlightened. Those who believe that are simply wrong.
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Sorry - it was not my intention to cause any offence, or start a big debate.
I appreciate the fact that Tortuga expressed his concerns in a polite way.
I think it is an interesting subject, but perhaps better debated in a different part of the forum?
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And I didn't intend for it to be a big deal either. But I am also not shy about taking a stand. I did reach out to the moderators, but no action was taken. Not sure why? Either they have no problem with tutorial videos on the public forum, despite the rules, or they have ignored my message.
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On Jul 15, 2021, ssibal wrote:
For this sleight there is no easy solution that will look convincing. Whatever method you choose, while the basic movements you could probably learn in an hour or two, making it look convincing will take plenty of dedicated work.


Thanks to all of you for your helpful suggestions. I have enjoyed experiencing with riffle shuffles. I have come full circle to think that the best "false" riffle shuffle for me (at the moment) is the nearly genuine one that retains top and/or bottom stock. This is so easy (hence deceptive), and serves its purpose so well.
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On Aug 8, 2021, Tortuga wrote:
And I didn't intend for it to be a big deal either. But I am also not shy about taking a stand. I did reach out to the moderators, but no action was taken. Not sure why? Either they have no problem with tutorial videos on the public forum, despite the rules, or they have ignored my message.




I agree with Tortuga here. That video is exposure. Guys shuffle is badly executed, badly taught, and I highly doubt he has any permission or right to teach it in the first place.

I'm surprised that the moderators haven't removed it or at least replied to you, Tortuga.



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