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jf4viva Veteran user 323 Posts 
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Steve is great and I agree. And he is someone who we should talk about or listen to instead of idiots on the Café. This place is more a detriment than it is a helpful resource.
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Kaliix Inner circle Connecticut 1990 Posts
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Bits of advice that bear repeating:
"No one is making you read anyone else's posts. No one is making you read any particular thread. You are free to ignore any Café member. No one is making you comment on this board. You have free will and the ability to exercise it. The choices are yours." ~Me "Absorb what is useful, reject what is useless, add what is essentially your own." ~Bruce Lee Quote: On Aug 28, 2021, jf4viva wrote:
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.
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videoman Inner circle 6750 Posts
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On Aug 28, 2021, maxon_paul wrote: Don’t be silly, you can do both if necessary. Most reputable dealers accept returns regardless of whether they are opened. Penguin for instance accepts returns no questions asked as long as the item is complete with original packaging and undamaged. |
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jf4viva Veteran user 323 Posts
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On Aug 29, 2021, videoman wrote: Don’t return it. It’s disrespectful to the creator. Resell it if you must. But don’t return magic |
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The Unmasked Magician Inner circle If only I didn't have a wife and a kid I would have MUCH more than 2711 Posts
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My goodness. Chill, dude. First you insist this place is full of idiots and that you never come here and now you start lecturing us -those same idiots- on how to deal with return items?! Who made you The Ethical Emperor?
Please check regularly if you are becoming the type of magician Jerry Seinfeld jokes about. (This applies to mentalists as well.)
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Markymark Inner circle 1691 Posts
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Speaking of advertising in old magic catalogues there was never a problem calling an index an index back then.I bought one [well you got 2] from the old Hank Lee catalogue.It would have been simple to say 'you get a beautiful leather wallet plus a sleight of hand technique' in the first advert the Vanishing inc. boys put out.There was a reason Mark at Saturn magic refused to stock it!
''In memory of a once fluid man,crammed and distorted by the classical mess'' -Bruce Lee
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts
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On Aug 29, 2021, Markymark wrote: Careful Mark, you’ll soon be labelled a C@@@, Troll and Idiot if you’re not careful. BUT, it’s great to see others sticking their heads above the parapet. And very interesting in ref to Mark at Saturn. |
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dyoung Special user 900 Posts
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I guess one thing about the old catalogues is that you would have to buy or order them, and you had them in your home. They weren't available to anyone with a quick Google. So I guess that means that advertising has turn a bit more vague due to this. Just a thought.
Although having said that, half the time you had no idea what you ordered. 
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JackMagic Inner circle 1987 Posts
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On Aug 29, 2021, jf4viva wrote: Once the creator has done a deal that’s the end of it he is not personally checking how many people are sending the item back At the end of the day under the distance selling regulations you can return anything back for a full refund no questions asked So if it’s of no use to you then my all means send it back !! |
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maxon_paul New user Alabama 14 Posts
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Well I opened it and my dog jumped up and grabbed it took it outside and chewed it up, then lightening hit it. Guess I won't send it back.
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dyoung Special user 900 Posts
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Yeah, I don't think they would refund your dog anyway
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4191 Posts
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On Aug 29, 2021, JackMagic wrote: This is not necessarily true, in fact I would say that it is rarely true. If you sell to Murphy’s then you get paid for the stock they take. In cases where a company such as Penguin or VI produce the product then you are paid on the basis of sales minus returns. Even when you produce the item yourself often dealers will take items on a sale or return basis which means you get paid based on sales minus returns. The problem with some items people buy them to learn the secret then sell the item on. If you can learn the secret quick enough you could return the product having learned the secret and in the process you get the secret and the creator gets diddly squat. Mark |
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makulit974 Loyal user 259 Posts
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You call people who disagree with you idiots, silly, lazy, whiners and ****s!
Not really interested in what you have to say. You should chill, accept that others can have different opinions without calling them names. Focus on some anger management, yoga or relaxation. Quote:
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Steven Conner Inner circle 2720 Posts
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On Aug 29, 2021, Mark_Chandaue wrote: That's true Mark truth, integrity and honesty have just disappeared (no pun intended). If I was a dealer, you open no refund. Magic is not your normal retail, we sell secrets.
"The New York Papers," Mark Twain once said,"have long known that no large question is ever really settled until I have been consulted; it is the way they feel about it, and they show it by always sending to me when they get uneasy. "
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts
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On Aug 29, 2021, Mark_Chandaue wrote: This is especially true with this release. Buying from VI gives you instant access to the instructions. I think it would be fair to treat this as a opened package. |
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JackMagic Inner circle 1987 Posts
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On Aug 29, 2021, Mark_Chandaue wrote: First of all it was no secret that you was buying a index 2nd the actual demo is not explained but an alternative method so the buyer has every right to ask for a refund And last of all this explains why Murphy’s are always pushing pre orders Fact is anyone that took the dealer to court and showed the demo Them played the secret would win hands down refund would be awarded |
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts
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Here is a little bit of fun. In the private FB group, someone pointed out that the switch can be reversed. Meaning you show a card and in the process of very cleanly and fairly folding up the billet, you’ve switched it. This again looks as clean as the regular Switch One. You can hand out the card or billet immediately after you fold it. You can table the folded card or billet or just leave it with the spec. No need to have them close their fist around it, etc. They can open the billet/card. Everything is as it seems.
Can’t do this with paperclip or OSYN. Can’t do it anywhere near this clean with other switches. Think about the applications this opens up for you. DR and hypno effects comes to mind. In the hand card changes, etc. where the spec opens up the card or billet. Super clean. Nothing needed to show that you are not switching because you don’t have a moment here that opens you up for a dirty moment to be caught on. |
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videoman Inner circle 6750 Posts
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I don’t disagree at all that this is a really nice switch, quite possibly the best in many situations. But man kissdadookie, you have really drunk the kool-aid on this effect. You seem pretty obsessed with it. Trying to find fault with any hint that something else might be equal to it. We get it, you totally love it! Just your posts alone probably account for 10 of the current 15 pages so far.
But it’s not fair to claim that everyone who may prefer another switch is uninformed, inexperienced, too lazy to practice, or just plain wrong. |
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Rolyan Special user I'm fencing in my land; so far there are 590 Posts
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On Aug 29, 2021, pegasus wrote: Hey up, you’re back, you little troll you. I knew you wouldn’t be able to keep to your own promise of not visiting this thread (see your previous post). So when you said…. Quote:
On Aug 28, 2021, pegasus wrote: ……you were making it up. Pretty much like the rest of what you’ve said. Gotta laugh really 🤪 |
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts
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On Aug 29, 2021, videoman wrote: No, I’m pointing out the merits of the switch that other switches don’t allow for. You came on here and said that this is interchangeable with paper clip or OSYN. Your argument is that this switch brings nothing really to the table other than being a magician fooler. I’ve just presented a application for this switch that has nothing to do with fooling magicians as it allows for DR and hypno effects which comes immediately to mind. Spectator sees something and then on second viewing of the same billet they are holding, it is something else, etc. You can’t do this with paper clip and OSYN. If you did try to use paper clip or OSYN, it’s more work and you’re convoluting the process since you need a reason to use the paper clip and have to take the billet back, etc. This is independent of using a in**x. For example, think about the applications and kind of effect this opens up. Memory loss. Losing the ability to read and regaining it. Etc. If you think this is simply a attack on your preferred method, that’s on you. You’re the one feeling uncomfortable with the comparison, likely because it points out that perhaps you didn’t actually think through your argument that thoroughly, since you made the assumption that there’s no real practical differences in the switch methods. I’ve just presented you with a very practical difference. Also, with so many people unclear what the difference is between this and any other switch and here is a huge differentiator that has a very valuable practical application and you are annoyed that I’m attempting to give potential customers better and more thorough information? |
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