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I’m working on developing a set of various card routines, and am looking at using a breather crimp towards the end.

Anyone have experience/knowledge of how well crimps hold up as cards are shuffled and handled? I’m playing around to see myself, but would like to hear from the collective wisdom of the Café.
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I will use a breather for one routine (using Martin nashs infinity control) however I've found any card springs/dribbles/riffle shuffle cascades can make a breather useless
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Yeah, that's what I'm finding out. I'm doing fair amount of riffle shuffles and dribbles and seems to be messing up the crimp.
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Would a traditional corner crimp work ?

These can be put in when needed (just before, or during your trick), and taken out when you're finished with it.



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Would a traditional corner crimp work ?

These can be put in when needed (just before, or during your trick), and taken out when you're finished with it.


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That might work. I’ll give it a try. Thank you
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On Oct 25, 2021, imgic wrote:
I’m working on developing a set of various card routines, and am looking at using a breather crimp towards the end.

Anyone have experience/knowledge of how well crimps hold up as cards are shuffled and handled? I’m playing around to see myself, but would like to hear from the collective wisdom of the Café.


I have a breather in any deck I carry, but just to be sure, whenever I know I'm actually gonna need it, I "renew" the work a little bit in it. And have never been let down.

Before this I've had issues with it. I also used to use it for a particular routine (Tiny Plunger) but noticed that even if I reworked it a little before the routine, it sometimes failed me. So I ditched the routine in favour of Pit Hartling's handling of more or less the same effect (from his Card Fictions book).

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I have a breather in any deck I carry, but just to be sure, whenever I know I'm actually gonna need it, I "renew" the work a little bit in it. And have never been let down.

Before this I've had issues with it. I also used to use it for a particular routine (Tiny Plunger) but noticed that even if I reworked it a little before the routine, it sometimes failed me. So I ditched the routine in favour of Pit Hartling's handling of more or less the same effect (from his Card Fictions book).

Mark


Thanks. I just heard of Hartling's Card Fiction book on Penguin Magic Podcast and am intrigued. Hope to track down a copy and learn more
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I would think a coin crimp would prove to be very durable in your example.
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Just an idea has anyone tried to make a permanent or almost perm. breather in either a plastic card (w heat) or a thin insert put into card (by splitting). Just wondering.
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If permanence is paramount it seems to me it would be much easier to use corner shorts or scallops. Why take a chance?
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The condition of the deck is a factor in how long a breather crimp lasts. I usually put the work in very strongly, then put it in the middle of the deck, then flex the deck a bit. I find that the crimp lasts longer in a new deck, but can be spotted easier from the sides. With older decks, I usually redo the work more often.

Shuffles and dribbles shouldn’t take the work out unless you’re handling the cards too roughly. Cards should be riffle shuffled gently, not flexed strongly, as I observe occasionally.
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Don't know if it would work for your routine.....but a 'Thick Card' can accomplish a lot of similar things.
Steve Bedwell has an excellent booklet on the subject.
It can remain in your deck un-noticed and unobtrusive til you need it.
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I talk about permanent breathers on my video download "The Common Stack":

https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/16576

I demonstrate it with regular cards and 100% plastic cards (Copag). Additionally, this style of breather defies the usual glare 'tells' that the traditional breather broadcasts. The spectator can handle the breather card and not notice it.

I would be happy to share the method openly here, but I think that might violate the forum guidelines.

Grab the video and get some other stuff along with the breather instruction... or PM and I would be happy to share what I know.

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I talk about permanent breathers on my video download "The Common Stack":

https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/16576

I demonstrate it with regular cards and 100% plastic cards (Copag). Additionally, this style of breather defies the usual glare 'tells' that the traditional breather broadcasts. The spectator can handle the breather card and not notice it.

I would be happy to share the method openly here, but I think that might violate the forum guidelines.

Grab the video and get some other stuff along with the breather instruction... or PM and I would be happy to share what I know.

-Carl

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Erik Tait talks about how to create a permanent breather crimp in his "Suit Cut to Order" download.
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Breathers last as long as they have space to... breathe....
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I find they last a long time
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You could always make your preferred Breather Card a corner short as well; just in case you need to get out of jail (if necessary).

It's always good to have a back-up plan when you're working. Smile

Harry Robson (of England) always uses a corner short as his control/locator. I've seen him use it regularly throughout his work/act; for both magicians and also for normal people. It doesn't get noticed.
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So many great idea and outstanding input. Lots of material for me to look at. Thank you all.

Merc, thanks for idea about corner short. Good example of getting fixated on one method, and overlooking another alternative.

Thanks again everyone.
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