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Msoriano
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Hello guys!! I’d like to ask to those who are using a mem deck, which kind of force method is your favorite once you have located the chosen card. Of course I mean in tricks where you have to force a card like two beginnings, calendar card…etc.
For now i’m using Aronson method described in his book Simply Simon, but I’d like to consider some alternatives.
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I, too, have almost always used the under the spread force. Michael Close does an interesting force with his Birthday Book that you may want to check out.
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False shuffle, let choose/name any number from 1 - 52, toying with the cards cut, glimpse and adjust if necessary... and let them count to their number - sell it as free and random as possible ... Smile ... something I do not always, but sometimes where it fits ... Jan
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A memdeck is ideal to familiarize yourself with the classic force. Even if they are two or three cards before or after your target, you know the card. You must of course have a "plan-B" ready in case they don't take the right card.
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I think Aronson's method is really convincing and pretty easy!
The great points for me are -
1. You only need to cut the card to near the top, not an exact position, so no need for an adjustment - just a glimpse. (Even easier with a marked deck!)
2. Spreading through the cards and asking spectator to touch one is a very simple natural "procedure", nothing weird to arouse suspicion.
3. The spectator can change their mind before you finally give/show the card. I think this is REALLY powerful.

You don't always want/need to give them the card. Sometimes it is sufficient just to show it to them. This is the easiest version, and how I originally learnt it. (I presume you already know how to do this).

Giving the card to the spectator was a bit more challenging for me. I started a thread on this subject about a year ago(?) Got some great advice. Also came up with some ideas of my own, before eventually re-discovering Aronson's method. He gives the card with his right hand which requires an "adjustment" beforehand as you extend your left hand. I find it easier to skip that adjustment. I extend my left hand as per his method, asking spec to hold their hand out. As I do this my left fingers shift the left hand packet back slightly to a more comfortable position. Then my left hand comes back to the RH spread and left fingers simply remove the bottom card, and hand to spectator with my LEFT hand. (Of course I don't look at my hands as I do this)
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I know it sounds silly, but I don't think a more effective force exists than the cross cut force for a spectator. I know that as magicians we smell that stuff and it stinks. But I've literally explained exactly what's happening to people and they still can't understand that the card is being forced.

I find it it particularly effective if it's two spectators. You ask one to cut the deck and mark the cut. You ask the second to lift the top packet and note the card that's been cut to. Instead of time misdirection, it's ... well, I don't have a word for it. But that's what it is.
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The cross cut force is great, but requires the force card to be on the top or bottom.
In an effect like the Birthday Card (mentioned in the original post), you don't force just any card - it is a specific card which you must determine as the trick progresses. You automatically know the location of the card of course because you are using a mem-deck, but you still need to force it. To use CCF you need to bring the card exactly to the top or bottom. There are definitely ways to do this (eg by Michael Close). I prefer Aronson's method because you don't need to bring the card to an exact position before you force it. This means (I think) fewer suspicious adjustments.
But if I did happen to cut the card exactly to top or bottom, I might indeed use the CCF on that occasion.
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Shawn Farquhar teaches one called the "Flop Force" on Reel Magic. He doesn't teach it to be used with a memdeck, but with a little practice, it's very easy to make this look chaotic and still maintain stack while forcing the top card. You do need a table, so not sure if that fits your needs.

HTH,
Kevin
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On Mar 29, 2022, Nikodemus wrote:
The cross cut force is great, but requires the force card to be on the top or bottom.


Agreed. The mem deck allows you to peek at the bottom and then use either top or bottom as the force.
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