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MattyMediocrity
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On Jan 21, 2022, Phatmeat wrote:
“ I'm not going to re-watch it, but I think I remember him saying that every single person had either received what they paid for or had been reimbursed.”

I saw that interview and rolled my eyes hard when he said that every single person had either received what they paid for or had been reimbursed. That is an outright, bold faced lie. There are countless people, myself included, who can attest that they neither received their products or any form of reimbursement. Not even an apology. And to add insult to injury, he was even over the top rude when customers followed up with him about their product/refund. I agree that he came off kind and sincere in his interview with Craig Petty, but this is not someone you should ever take at face value. These aren’t just some unverified rumors floating around on the Internet by a few haters/disgruntled customers that have given him a bad rap. His behavior in terms of his recurring atrocious customer service, lying, rudeness, and inability to follow through with fulfilling orders and keeping people’s money are what destroyed his reputation. He did it to himself. And this isn’t just some one off incident. He has a pathological history of doing this. Like you I also used to give him the benefit of the doubt. I was a loyal fan and customer and continued to support him despite him not following through with promises. Then he screwed me out of my money multiple times on multiple occasions. And after endless excuses and giving me the run around over and over I finally asked for a refund for only the last product he failed to ship (not even all of them, JUST the last one) and he was extremely rude to me, scorned me, and made me feel like I was the one in wrong. He also promised to send the refund when he had the money available and that never happened. I eventually decided to cut my losses and put my energy elsewhere. There are a plethora of other people who can recount the same or similar experiences with him. And it’s always the same story. He doesn’t ship the product, he won’t give a refund, and on top of that he’s even rude about it. This man does not deserve the benefit of the doubt or your sympathy or respect. He deserves to be in jail (again). He was apparently (allegedly according to him) thrown in jail for 30 days for not paying child support. He alleges that he did pay child support. Just like he alleges that all of his customers received what they paid for or were reimbursed. Ok, so if you paid your child support like you were supposed to and you can prove it then why were you thrown in jail for not paying support? Either way, I don’t know much about the child support situation other than what he’s alleged, so I’d rather stick to the facts of what I do know and what I know to be factually accurate is that he regularly takes people’s money without ever giving them what he promised. When it comes to him everyone else a liar out to get him and he’s always the victim. At least he likes to play victim. Let there be no doubt in your mind, he a habitual liar and a thief.

So much for not detailing the thread. I tried.


You're obviously passionate and sincere and feel that you've been taken.

I'm disappointed. You sound credible.

Maybe he'll see this and make it right?
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I thank you for your response and I appreciate your acknowledgment of my sincerity.

Regarding him making it right, I won't hold my breath. He's had multiple opportunities to do so. What I will say is that the way he conducts himself and his business is extremely unprofessional and unsustainable. Myself and many other have gone from being loyal fans and customers to boycotting anything he releases because we're sick of being lied to and taken advantage of. His customer base just keeps shrinking. Hopefully some people who don't have direct experience doing business with him will see these posts and will heed the warnings; and unfortunately others will just have to learn the hard way.
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On Jan 21, 2022, MattyMediocrity wrote:
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On Jan 21, 2022, coachawsm wrote:
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On Dec 16, 2021, ArtIn wrote:
It’s bold working with Justin Miller


Not sure what you mean. What’s bold about working with an unhinged human dumpster fire who has a proven track record of scamming customers out of money and burning bridges with pretty much every magic company he’s worked with??


What did I miss?


You've missed a lot, lol. There's one "bridge burning" situation that I actually know for sure JM is being truthful and has the receipts.

That makes me inclined to believe there's a chance he's being truthful about the others as well.


I know he also got overwhelmed with life at the same time he had a release.

In his interview with Craig Petty, Craig held his feet to the fire a little bit, and Justin came off as sincere, apologetic and forthcoming explaining how he fell behind.

I'm not going to re-watch it, but I think I remember him saying that every single person had either received what they paid for or had been reimbursed.

I hope that's true. I'm the trusting type and want to believe that people are doing things the right way.

Anyways, if it's ever shown that he is actually shady, I'd stop defending him... but I honestly think he might have fallen victim to the magic dog pile we can't seem to resist.

Sort of how Craig Petty did literally everything right with RED, but was still shamed out of the community.

He researched it. He showed it to other magicians who said they have never seen it. He released it. Shortly after it was realized that someone else had done it, and he apologized and pulled it immediately.

He did everything right every step of the way, yet still got absolutely curb stomped over it.

He could've said "F you all, I'm selling them anyways" because we don't have proper protection for our intellectual property... but he pulled it immediately.

Side note: Would some of the smaert fellers in the community pretty plz with sugar on top put your big brains together and solve the intellectual property issue?


Just need to correct the record on the Red debacle.

This was a clear copy of a well known product (New Wave Prediction).
Craig was aware of this product and routine. Indeed he posted on a public forum in 2005 that it was his favourite gimmicked card routine!

It's possible Craig forgot about that in the intervening years, before producing Red. However, Red was strikingly similar to New Wave Prediction by all accounts.

Thought worth noting.
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Method wise it reminds me of an effect ( forgets it’s name though) off about 20 yrs ago ( method wise ) where the 4 picture cards turn face down then change to aces , except the change is words & a nice finish in the wallet .
I would use it ( even though it’s just a choice of 4 cards
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Regarding him making it right, I won't hold my breath. He's had multiple opportunities to do so. What I will say is that the way he conducts himself and his business is extremely unprofessional and unsustainable. Myself and many other have gone from being loyal fans and customers to boycotting anything he releases because we're sick of being lied to and taken advantage of. His customer base just keeps shrinking. Hopefully some people who don't have direct experience doing business with him will see these posts and will heed the warnings; and unfortunately others will just have to learn the hard way.


Thank You for the heads-up! Much appreciated. Hopefully he makes a u-turn and corrects his ways.
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Just remembered the name of the effect this reminds me of , N F W by Gary Freed
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