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MWG_T_H_O_M_A_S New user 55 Posts |
Hey this is my first post on the forum, ive recently bought the david blaine book and have ordered Bobos coin tricks, something I'm really looking forward to.
Im having a bit of trouble with the 2 card monte trick, I can "just about" pull off the double lift when showing to a single audience, however when I come to the part where I must switch the cards in my pack, giving them the bottom and adding theirs to the top, I cannot disguise this switch. Every time I have tried it I have been seen switching their card for the bottom , whilst the trick still works (kind of) it is not nearly so impressive. Any one have any tips on how to swap their card for the bottom card of the pack without them realising? Thanx , any help appreciated. Tom |
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chrisrkline Special user Little Rock 965 Posts |
I would say that if you are caught switching cards everytime, I would say that the trick is blown. Stop doing it today.
You need to slow up. No one will make the claim that the Two Card Monte was difficult, but it is definately not for beginners. (Two Card Monte is more properly known as Be Honest, What Is It? by Eddie Fechter) You need to slow up and get some basic skills down first. Hugard and Braue's Royal Road to Card Magic is a great place to start. You can also get some of Ammar's Easy to Master Card Miracles (which has another great Fechter effect, called That's It.)
Chris
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submagi Loyal user 216 Posts |
I find it easier to pull of the switch with the top card, instead of the bottom. I always thought this was the way it was performed. Double lifts and the Top Switch are very easy moves to do, but very difficult to pull off nicely. Practice and practice, don't perform untill you are sure you can perform it flawlessly.
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LeConte Special user Bay area 830 Posts |
Tom,
Welcome to the Café. I believe that you are talking about performing a top change, but I might be mistaken. The top change is used to switch the cards in the version of the trick I know. As a point of history for you the card trick today so often called "Two Card Monte" is really part of a much older tricked that is called Be Honest, What Is It?. The man who first performed this trick was named Eddie Fechter and he is a legend to many magicians. If you want to learn more about Mr. Fechter one day, then I would suggest a book called Fechter, The Magic of Eddie Fechter by Jerry Mentzer. The best suggestion that I can give you if you are new to card magic in general, is to get a series of books by Roberto Giobbi called Card College. The information on the basic top change is found in the very first volume. Giobbi covers the change in great detail and gives some good suggestions to cover the move. If you can't afford the whole set then start with volume 1. You will not regret this purchase.
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submagi Loyal user 216 Posts |
Thank you LeConte! It's the Top Change, not Top Switch. God, I've been forgeting everything lately..
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vago Regular user Israel 116 Posts |
Hi and Welcome,
The top change is not so easy. I have the giobbi set and I can tell ya it doesn't make your life any easier. The basic things for me are : 1. the right hand must stay put. 2. practice the switch over and over keeping the card between thumb and 1st. never switch to 2nd finger. 3. practice the a fluid movement. 4. practice your sentences exactly so you can have a word mask the small noise of the cards sweeping. (this noise must be close to none) 5. find a good reason to lift the left hand, I go over my eyebrow. if you have glasses that's best. 6. relax Hope my pointers help. The best demo I've seen was on daryl enc vol 8. Enjoy, Vago |
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doowopper Elite user 492 Posts |
Hi Tom,
Check out the demo video at http://www.ellusionist.com/order/2Monte.html. It's a nice version for a newcomer to the effect. If you like it, of course you have to weigh the importance of the expense of buying this one effect vs. buying books and videos with many effects. Richard |
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LBP MAGIC Veteran user 374 Posts |
I always tap the card in their hand and say "without looking at this card which one is it"? Natural reaction makes them look up or down while they think. This is the perfect time to pull the switch. You also need to practice enough that you don't have to think to perform the switch.
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tyrael07 Regular user Surabaya , Indonesia 105 Posts |
Do you guys think that top switch is also good for performing in front of multiple audiences? since there might be people who don't really react to your questions/misdirection and burn your hand while doing the TS?
Because I found a different version in Born to Perform DVD by OZ pearlman for this effect Thanks
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superhiro Regular user 101 Posts |
Well I have to say that one of the first tricks I learnt was also the 2 card monte. However I have never performed it infront of people. When I first learnt it I realised that the top change is not really an easy slight to pull off when you don't know much about misdirection.
So try and get a better understanding of misdirection by reading books, watching DVDs and also reading other posts on this forum. Once you understand the basics give it another go. Hiro |
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dynamiteassasin Inner circle Naval Air Facility, Atsugi, Japan 1158 Posts |
I think what MWG THOMAS is trying to say is, he does the 2 Card Monte Blaine does. Blaine doesn't perform the top change, he steals the bottom card. In other versions of the 2 Card Monte you do a top change but Blaine does it the other way.
I suggest MWG THOMAS, if you do a bottom steal, practice first in the mirror and make your movements smooth as possible. After stealing the bottom card, use your left hand (the hand with the deck) to point to the card the spectator is holding as misdirection then proceed to place the stolen card in his hand. |
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tyrael07 Regular user Surabaya , Indonesia 105 Posts |
Could anyone answer my questions?
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dynamiteassasin Inner circle Naval Air Facility, Atsugi, Japan 1158 Posts |
I'll answer yours..
I'll tell you this, any sleight can be performed even infront of multiple audiences as long as there is proper timing and killer misdirection. As for the top change, practice it well and get the move down smoothly. |
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tyrael07 Regular user Surabaya , Indonesia 105 Posts |
Thanks a lot
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MWG_T_H_O_M_A_S New user 55 Posts |
Thanx guys these ideas have been really useful, its all a bout misdirection it seems
dynamiteassasin, that was exactly what I meant, ill give it a few goes in the mirror see if I can get it down any better! thanx again for such quick replies Tom |
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JayPea New user 29 Posts |
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On 2004-06-23 21:28, tyrael07 wrote: One time I performed this routine, surrounded by about 25 people, with eyes looking from every angle (what a thrill it was!). And the reveal at the end had the entire crowd up in arms (perhaps the best reaction I have ever received)...which brings me to the conclusion that no one saw the top change occur (thank God). Like a lot of people on this board, I try really hard to keep the spectator and audience focused on the cards in the spectator's hand. Asking "Now without looking, what card is THAT?" and pointing at their card with the card in your right hand (in preparation for the top change) usually does the trick for me. As an added convincer, I point to other people in the crowd with my left hand (after the change has occured) and ask them what they think that card is (my left arm is moving outward anyway, so it's a natural movement to point to someone). It's almost like time misdirection and gets everybody thinking about the card, forgeting that my hands even came together (if, by chance, someone thought I did something funny). I've practiced this move so many times, that it is quite natural for me now (in reference to the famous Dai Vernon quote). Quote:
On 2004-06-24 02:31, dynamiteassasin wrote: I'm pretty sure that DB performs the top change when performing this routine (my apologies if I am wrong). Case in point, watch Street Magic when he performs Be Honest, What Is It?/2 Card Monte to Emmitt Smith. That looks exactly like a top change to me (I even notice how he pushes the top card of the deck over with the left thumb, in order to gain a finger break underneath it). In general, his body movements for this trick are perfect (arms flailing, pointing to Smith, making him focus on the cards, etc). |
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Micheal Leath Inner circle 1048 Posts |
Blaine uses a TC as stated by JayPea.
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tyrael07 Regular user Surabaya , Indonesia 105 Posts |
I watched one of blaine's two card monte where he performs in front of several people, and I think he didn't use the top change, instead he uses another method that I don't know the name of, which is also used by oz pearlman in his video Born to Perform.
Thats why I asked this question, to know which one is better/risker. But thanks for the inputs. It`s helpful.
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Whit Haydn V.I.P. 5449 Posts |
The trick as usually performed is very different from the much better handling created by Eddie Fecther. Eddie liked to use the misdirection of surprise in order to cover the top change. He would ask what the face down card in his hand was, and then ask what card the spectator has. He gestured with his card as he asked the spectator to turn over the card in his hand, and under cover of the surprise, he made the top change. When the spectator looked back, the card in the magician's hand was turned over and handed to the spectator, and the two top cards of the deck are palmed off and revealed in the magician's pocket.
This is the version of Be Honest! that I have used since the 70's, and I think it is much stronger and less "movey" and more direct. Eddie was a genius at construction of quick card effects, and it is probably a serious mistake to change his method for doing the trick. The needed cover for the top change and for palming the cards is built right into the routine. |
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Cameron Roat Special user Michigan 728 Posts |
Whit! Don't give it away! Let them buy the book for the real work and surprise ending. Haha.
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