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Ordered! Too many good reviews, looking forward to playing with this, I picked up the celebrity cards as well.
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Received yesterday, very nice tool, need some practice of course but it seems very promising.

A little bit difficult in the back pocket, maybe due to the lack of motion for the fingers (specially for removing the card), but I will work this handling because it rocks.

Nice index, congratulation Mirrah and Saturn Magic !
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'Indexed' is superb. Excellent design and precision manufacturing. It works beautifully, and after a couple of days of playing around with it (and deciding on my preferred set-up) my hit rate is 100%, so I can take this out and use it with total confidence. I won't be using it for folded cards as I'm happy with my 'Q' (btw, Carl Royle sells exactly the same type of index as Q, but a bit cheaper!) but for a full card system it's perfect, and my 'Advocate' is now obsolete. Highly recommended!
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If anyone is still on the fence about this product, I'd say go for it ... and if anyone is interested, I've set mine up in simple A-K (S-H-C-D) order and have implemented the (much appreciated) handy tip using a 3mm thick, round elastic hairband. I've also cut down the card box to a more workable size (mimicking the shape of the gimmick but sitting higher) and covered it in cloth tape to save on wear and tear. I also plan on buying 'Switcher' by Mark Traversoni as shown on the tutorial (Also available at Saturn).
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On Feb 22, 2022, FreddieLeeFroth wrote:
If anyone is still on the fence about this product, I'd say go for it ... and if anyone is interested...

Great thoughts, but I don't think that these types of discussions that help to tip a method do not belong on this forum. Please save those for "Secret Sessions" or other forums that are not indexed by google bots
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On Feb 22, 2022, FreddieLeeFroth wrote:
If anyone is still on the fence about this product, I'd say go for it ... and if anyone is interested, I've set mine up in simple A-K (S-H-C-D) order and have implemented the (much appreciated) handy tip using a 3mm thick, round elastic hairband. I've also cut down the card box to a more workable size (mimicking the shape of the gimmick but sitting higher) and covered it in cloth tape to save on wear and tear. I also plan on buying 'Switcher' by Mark Traversoni as shown on the tutorial (Also available at Saturn).

Good to know! Mine is in the mail at the moment so I can't wait to try it out. Always nice to see a few tips on what's working for others.
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"I don't think that these types of discussions that help to tip a method do not belong on this forum. Please save those for "Secret Sessions" or other forums that are not indexed by google bots"

At the risk of sounding facetious, I'm not sure how my post could be considered as potentially tipping a "method". It's an index, and the gimmick 'is' the method. The blurb ("ANY Named Card Right At Your Fingertips") spells it out as blatantly as anyone idly Googling could wish to find. Still, if Mirrah or Saturn Magic would prefer me to remove (or edit) my post, I'd be more than happy to comply.
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I got mine today and it’s fantastic. Great design and easy to locate the named card with very little practice great job
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On Feb 22, 2022, FreddieLeeFroth wrote:
"I don't think that these types of discussions that help to tip a method do not belong on this forum. Please save those for "Secret Sessions" or other forums that are not indexed by google bots"

At the risk of sounding facetious, I'm not sure how my post could be considered as potentially tipping a "method". It's an index, and the gimmick 'is' the method. The blurb ("ANY Named Card Right At Your Fingertips") spells it out as blatantly as anyone idly Googling could wish to find. Still, if Mirrah or Saturn Magic would prefer me to remove (or edit) my post, I'd be more than happy to comply.


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At the risk of sounding facetious, I'm not sure how my post could be considered as potentially tipping a "method". It's an index, and the gimmick 'is' the method.

Yes, but there are many indexes out there, but this one is unique in ways you referenced, and the tips that she gives are part of what you pay for with an effect.
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"there are many indexes out there, but this one is unique in ways you referenced" <<< That's simply incorrect. This index is certainly unique but I did not reference any of those design features.

"and the tips that she gives are part of what you pay for with an effect." <<< Wrong again. Had you owned this item yourself, you would have known that the tip I referenced was provided by a user here on this forum. I merely suggested an alternative material and made no mention of what it is you do with it.

Basically, unless someone purchases this index, no amount of vague chit-chat will give them enough information to reverse engineer the gimmick and have it precision manufactured for themselves. I just wanted to help potential buyers make a more informed decision and bestow confidence in those have already purchased it and were contemplating which specific set-up to instigate.

So, as previously stated ... unless somebody involved in the production of this item has a problem with my post, I would prefer to avoid further petty bickering ... thanks!
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So, as previously stated ... unless somebody involved in the production of this item has a problem with my post, I would prefer to avoid further petty bickering ... thanks!

I'm sorry you think my viewpoint, which is based on owning this effect, is "petty bickering." I was simply stating my opinion that discussion of methods or what makes this different, as well as the actual working of the effect, even tiny details, should be reserved for a private forum. There's no need to jump all over me because I have an opinion; I wasn't personally attacking you. Many developers, including Craig Petty recently regarding the Quantum Deck, have specifically called out The Magic Café for posts in this forum that hint around and discuss methodology, and he is correct - by page 10 or so of a thread, you have pretty much figured out how the trick works due to comments from magicians.
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"petty bickering." <<< My apologies, I shouldn't have framed it that way.

"There's no need to jump all over me" <<< So, if you express an opinion, it's fair game but when I oppose that opinion with a clearly defined explanation, it's "jumping on you"?

I'm afraid your comparison with the Quantum Deck is a case of apples and oranges. The products are based on entirely different concepts. I shouldn't feel the need to repeat myself but an index is an index and nothing can be gleaned about its workings from anything I've said. Therefore, for the casual reader, zero benefit could be gained from my comments.
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I'm afraid your comparison with the Quantum Deck is a case of apples and oranges. The products are based on entirely different concepts.

I clearly made my point about discussing unique differences or specific methodologies, as well as talking about things mentioned in the tutorial as things that should be discussed in private forums. I was not comparing the two effects as being similar in any way, but I believe you are aware of this, and you are now being purposefully obtuse for some reason.
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"I clearly made my point about discussing unique differences or specific methodologies" <<< ... and I clearly refuted them.

"as well as talking about things mentioned in the tutorial" <<< As I've already stated, nothing I said was in reference to anything shown in the tutorial, rendering yours a moot point.

"you are now being purposefully obtuse for some reason." <<< Not at all. I understand your points perfectly well. I just disagree with them (in this specific instance).

I won't be responding further (Unless it's in response to the creator/producer). We've both had our say and I can imagine these pointless and protracted interactions become irritating to other forum users who are interested in the product being discussed. Cheers!
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You are also being equally difficult. You are worried about nothing. Seriously, how many people do you think to go 11 pages deep into an index thread and then chose to what, make their own instead of just buying one? Talking openly about the index has probably resulted in more sales not less. Mod/Creator/Saturn have not objected to this discussion so let it be...

I for one am in that category having purchased Indexed after reading the continuous praise it's received in this thread. I researched sources for routines using or designed for indexes. After settling on three, I then found Café threads that came to generally the same conclusion, lol. For anyone looking for resources, since I kinda answered my own question from an earlier post...

Sixteen Card Index Gems by Max Andrews
Effects with the Card Index by Mark Weston
Charlie Miller on the Card Index by Charlie Miller


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On Feb 23, 2022, FreddieLeeFroth wrote:
I'm afraid your comparison with the Quantum Deck is a case of apples and oranges. The products are based on entirely different concepts.

I clearly made my point about discussing unique differences or specific methodologies, as well as talking about things mentioned in the tutorial as things that should be discussed in private forums. I was not comparing the two effects as being similar in any way, but I believe you are aware of this, and you are now being purposefully obtuse for some reason.
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"I clearly made my point about discussing unique differences or specific methodologies" <<< ... and I clearly refuted them.

"as well as talking about things mentioned in the tutorial" <<< As I've already stated, nothing I said was in reference to anything shown in the tutorial, rendering yours a moot point.

"you are now being purposefully obtuse for some reason." <<< Not at all. I understand your points perfectly well. I just disagree with them (in this specific instance).

I won't be responding further (Unless it's in response to the creator/producer). We've both had our say and I can imagine these pointless and protracted interactions become irritating to other forum users who are interested in the product being discussed. Cheers!



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For what it's worth, I've purchased this but haven't received it yet. I own several other indexes, but I have no idea how this one works. Once we buy something and know the method, it becomes obvious to us; we forget what it was like before we knew.

And, quite frankly, if someone is willing to go this deep into a thread just to try and learn the inner workings of a magic trick, they're either a genuinely interested buyer like me (though I wasn't looking for the method, but this thread sold me on it) or they're just crazy (which also applies to me.)

As for the index itself, I'm already swimming in a sea of ideas. I like others that I own, but this appears to be the fastest. Combining it with Quantum Deck is one thing I'm considering, thanks to Craig's amazing tutorial.
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Andrew, you will be pleased with your purchase, it's a really well-conceived utility and it opens up a lot of seemingly impossible effects especially when combined with another strong effect like the Quantum Deck.

As far as my opinions on exposure in this forum being an issue overall, that's a discussion obviously best left to another time and place. I think the issue is that often well-meaning people who have special knowledge, because they have dealt with the effect or tutorial, mistakenly believe that what they know is common knowledge. My comments were not meant to incite anything other than further positive discussion on the subject.
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Andrew, you will be pleased with your purchase, it's a really well-conceived utility and it opens up a lot of seemingly impossible effects especially when combined with another strong effect like the Quantum Deck.


Following this thread has convinced me to go ahead and order "Indexed by Mirrah Miraculous" from Saturn. FYI for the Yanks considering such a purchase, with the current exchange rate my total cost including shipping is 45.98 GBP which converts to $65.16 USD.

Interestingly, my intention is indeed to use Mirrah's index with Mr. Petty's Quantum Deck which I recently received. I think having both utilities opens up a lot of fascinating possibilities!
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