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As for a really cool 'false transfer' for a ball.
In the back of Michael Ammars book on the Cups & Ball, a vanished is described by another magician where you toss the ball into the other hand....and it literally bounces right back into the tossing hand as you close the hand that is suppose to be receiving it.
Somewhat knacky and does take work....but looks really really good when you got it.
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Wow, amazing that that works, Zauberman! I don't think I have that book, though I do have vol. I of Ammar's DVD's on the Cups and Balls. I'll take a look for the move there. My feeling, though, is that I should probably start with moves that *aren't* knacky.


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If you want to start anywhere, watch Goshman do his classic palm toss vanish. He explains it here, as well as the rest of his amazing act.
https://youtu.be/zBi2KoNDY_Q
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Thanks, Michael. This is beautiful.
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In 73 I started with Albert Goshmans Toss vanish.
It is in my tool kit today.
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Much though I enjoyed the Goshman video, I don't think his vanish is the way for me to go. Goshman's toss looks quite different from the way I (honestly) toss an object from hand to hand. What Rick Holcombe does at about 10:33 in the following video looks quite close to what I naturally do when I'm not thinking about what I'm doing:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okyqi42PTRU .
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Finding what matches your natural movements and not the retention vanish of the week will work wonders in your
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Enjoy the process.
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Nothing wrong with a simple finger palm vanish. Natural and illusive. A classic palm vanish such as Schneider or Goshman allows for the coin to be in that position. Remember, whatever move you do is dictated by what you do right after. So you just have to use what will best help the action that follows.
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On Jan 21, 2022, Bob G wrote:
….at about 10:33 in the following video looks quite close to what I naturally do when I'm not thinking about what I'm doing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okyqi42PTRU .


Think you got what you need right there, and with clear-enough, good illustration given from Bobo’s. Just continue to give it the practice and you’ll get what you’re after from it. And honestly, you already got it if this is what you’re doing as you mention…you’re already home. 😊 And some good words there along my line of thinking down this part of the journey, that pretty much, “less is more.” 😉
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Thanks, Harris, Michael, and Marion. Marion, I'm not already home, since I haven't learned the finger palm false transfer that Rick demonstrates. I just wanted to show you approximately what I do in real life as opposed to "magic life." But I'm encouraged to hear from all of you that this is a good place to start. Harris, I *am* enjoying the process. Smile I love practicing magic. And Michael, your point is well-taken about the sleight being dictated by what happens next. I see other vanishes in my future -- but one thing at a time.


You're all so helpful.


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Magicians helping magicians makes me smile.
In real life, I retired 5 years ago as a Substance Abuse Counselor Emeritus.
Music and magic were always in my counseling tool bag.
This thread gives me smiles and hope.
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Good for you for having been a Substance Abuse Counselor -- an important job that can't have been easy, though I'm sure it was fulfilling. Yes to both magic and music! I hope you're enjoying your retirement.

Wishing you the best of everything,


Bob
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Bob, what Rick Holcombe shows in that video from 10:30 to about 11:30 is what I was describing as the "wrist roll." And I particularly agreed with his take on the left hand doing most of the acting --- that was well-explained. Go for it!
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Ah, that's good to know, thanks, Joe. I'll take a really close look at what Rick does. Last night I was trying that transfer, and boy, was it awkward! But that's what cards felt like when I started and now I can do some not-too-hard tricks quite well. So, onward...


What seemed the trickiest to me was the timing. Something was off, so that I didn't feel that I was simulating the real action. It looked really, well, fake.
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Just my opinion, but Goshman’s looks so much better. The explanation even fooled me.
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Within the context of what Gosh is doing, his toss looks great, you can’t do that any better than he does it. It is everything a false transfer should be, most of all, believable. I like it myself but hardly ever toss a coin over like that. The FP toss is more along the lines of the routines I do, and so that’s how I’ve done it all this time. But to each his own, as you can’t go wrong as to what works best for you. It’s even good to just learn and do them both, as being flexible is always a good thing. 😊 *Oh, and where exactly, at what point in the vid does Gosh actually “explain” his toss?
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Hi Mb,


I see your point. In cards I've usually tried out several variations before I settled on one or two I liked, so why not the same with coins?


The explanation is at about 33:20.


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Hey Bob,
Just ran across this thread.
I'm glad my video helped you out!

There's another great little "toss" vanish I love to use, it's AL Schneider's "classic vanish" but instead of placing the coin into the empty hand, use just "toss" it from a short distance.

I cover the mechanics of the classic vanish in the video, just add the toss part yourself.
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Another great one is to think of the French Drop as a starting point, then add a toss into the mechanics.

And if you have Arthur Buckley's "Priciples and Deceptions" there is a different way to hold a French Drop which looks particularly good for a toss action.
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On Jan 24, 2022, Bob G wrote:
Hi Mb,

I see your point. In cards I've usually tried out several variations before I settled on one or two I liked, so why not the same with coins?

The explanation is at about 33:20..
Bob



Thanks Bob, must’ve missed that part at about the 35:00 point using the coin. Yeah, Gosh is right (he’s always right) 😁 about the “timing” and making sure and synchronizing all the actions, to the point that you don’t actually have to have anything in your hand and it will come across as if you do, as gosh demonstrates it. It’s really all about how the mind sees and makes sense of things, and we magicians take advantage of that..

On another note, that Carlyle vanish beginning at about the 35:07 point seems awfully familiar. Hmmmm. 🤔
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