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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 6008 Posts 
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On Feb 13, 2022, tenchu wrote: Meaning what? Regards Gaz.😊 |
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Bottom Drawer New user 91 Posts
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Gaz Lawrence wrote:
Just as a test, yesterday I was performing magic after the Brentford v Palace premiership match. Wow small world Gaz, a mate of mine sometimes nabs a ticket for us at Palace. To be fair only on the lower rank games unfortunately. You say "client of yours" Are you the resident magician at Crystal Palace Football Club or performing for mates? Be good to see you at work. Good Magic BD |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 6008 Posts
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I’m not their resident magician as not sure they have one but I have done various corporate gigs for the club as I am life long fan.
However I have clients who have become friends who get corporate boxes at most home and away games so I perform for their clients either at the games or before or after the games either in their boxes or sometimes at restaurants before or after the games. So I don’t perform magic at every Palace game far from it but now and again and fortunately I get to watch the game in the process Gaz.😊 |
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martyjacobs Inner circle Essex, UK 1448 Posts
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I've said this before, but if you're an amateur who mainly performs for friends and family, there is a much higher chance that someone will ask to look at your cards. Hell, I've had props snatched from my hands mid-performance! For certain tricks, the effect is greatly enhanced if you encourage people to look closely at your props. I think the QD falls into this category because the most obvious solution to a layperson is that more than one printed card is hidden somewhere in the deck. Allowing them to inspect the deck eliminates this as a possible solution, thus making the effect more impossible.
In a professional performance environment, spectators are, on the whole, far more polite and much more compliant. However, that doesn't mean that they don't want to examine your props; they're probably too polite to ask. I regularly have people run their fingers up and down the side of my deck. That tells me they probably have a Svengali Deck at home (or at least had one as a child). |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 6008 Posts
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With this deck you have the choice, examine or not.
If a layman sees the cards blank both sides it’s game over imo, don’t over think it. If you want to over think it with this one you still can let them examine the cards. Some people literally would argue over everything but this you can do either so what is there not to like? It really shows up the people to me who actually don’t perform much or at all and are thinking about situations that either never happen or can so easily be directed around if you know what you are doing. Thankfully I do and trust me it ain’t rocket science it’s common sense. 80% of the people I perform for are intoxicated anyway so I am light years ahead of them, no one grabs cards off me. You know why? Because I’m already aware of that so never give them that opportunity. Remember play it cool be charming but deep down realise and know you are the governor, I certainly know that Gaz.😊 |
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Deckstacker Loyal user At my age I should have more than a mere 265 Posts
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FYI: Just a few minutes ago (Sun 2/13/2022 12:54 PM PST) I received an emailed notice from Penguin informing me that my QD has been shipped and is "making its way to my doorstep." Considering that I placed my order on 2/07/2022, I'm very gruntled about this!
Never try to teach a pig how to sing. You will waste your time, and it annoys the pig.
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Marvello Inner circle It's amazing how little I can say in 1612 Posts
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On Feb 13, 2022, Deckstacker wrote: Awesome, I am excited for you, and this gives me hope for my own gruntelization soon!
Never criticize someone else until you have walked a mile in their shoes. Then, when you do criticize them, you will be a mile away from them and you will have their shoes.
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David asecas New user 54 Posts
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This game looks great, it's a shame that it's already sold out, I want the next batch to come out, I want to know how it works and I think it's interesting, if it's how I think, I don't think the viewer will see anything either if you want to leave the cards on the table unconcerned ( normally unless they are known they will not make the threat of touching them).
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martyjacobs Inner circle Essex, UK 1448 Posts
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FYI, the times I've had props snatched from me, I've allowed them to be taken. It ended up making the magic stronger. My point is this; social norms are very different when performing in casual situations. I know this from years of experience as an active amateur magician. I tend to avoid performing for drunk people. While easy to fool, they make lousy participants and I'd rather not waste my time on them. I want the people I perform for to have their mental faculties in tact. The magic is more fun that way.
I'm not saying you have to let people examine the cards. However, having performed lots of magic with double blanks, this kind of effect is usually enhanced when people can look at your unusual props. I also ask my participants what they think the method might be; I find people are more astute about these things than we imagine. With something like this, I'm reasonably sure they would suspect duplicate cards. The only way to eliminate that thought is to have the deck examined. |
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MR Effecto Inner circle 2774 Posts
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If performing an effect in a entertaining way there is no need for anybody to even think about inspecting props. I never let anybody examine what I’m performing at the end. There is also no need for the performer to say would you like to examine my deck of cards.
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Darkness Inner circle 1606 Posts
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Even if someone knows the gimmick there is no way they have the entire method without going away and re-engineering it. Why is this even an issue? It will fool everyone in that regard.
THE DARK ARTS PROP & EFFECTS CREATOR @ WWW.MRDARKNESS.COM
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martyjacobs Inner circle Essex, UK 1448 Posts
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If performing an effect in an entertaining way, there is no need for anybody to even think about inspecting props. I'm afraid I have to disagree. People want to touch our props, whether we want them to or not. Allowing your props to be examined can enhance the magic, and plenty of professional magicians feel the same way. I want my audience to be intellectually connected to my magic. Encouraging them to think about possible methods is something that I encourage. |
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Andrew Zuber Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2924 Posts
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On Feb 13, 2022, Deckstacker wrote: I ordered on the 5th and got the same email today. Can't wait to get it!
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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adrianrbf Regular user Switzerland 115 Posts
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Some thoughts on the "has Craig lied when he said it can be examined" issue:
He hasn't. Some people seem to think that Craig said "it is an ungimmicked deck", which he didn't. The description on Murphy's website says it is a gimmicked deck. The description is really as transparent as it can be. As far as I understand, the gimmicky feature of the Quantum deck is so well hidden, that spectators can freely examine the deck. As others have pointed out, this is more than enough. Those who think that "examinable" means "you can lock a skilled magician in a cabin fo three days and he still won't find anything" will have to take an ungimmicked blank deck and become really, really excellent in sleight of hand. Everybody else will take the quantum deck. (I haven' ordered one yet, because I am only a hobbyist and shouldn't buy too many magic tricks and props. However, I am really tempted to order one.) |
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Magic Dust Special user 889 Posts
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My experience: Shipped means a shipping label was created
But it take a long time until parcel is on the way ... |
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Craig Crossman Special user Palm Beach, Florida 523 Posts
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On Feb 13, 2022, pegasus wrote: Thanks pegasus! Only ONE more day... |
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adrianrbf Regular user Switzerland 115 Posts
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On Feb 13, 2022, martyjacobs wrote: I think you said you were an amateur. So am I, and I have to agree with you. Amateurs and hobbyists often perform in a relaxed informal setting. In a formal gigging situation, spectators may be too shy to even ask it they can examine the props. Among friends and at the kitchen table, however, they will want to examine the props. |
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adrianrbf Regular user Switzerland 115 Posts
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On Feb 13, 2022, martyjacobs wrote: Any particular work of Eric Mead that you would recommend on this topic? |
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ArtIn Inner circle 1522 Posts
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Regarding examination:
I believe that one should differentiate and not teach others. Not everyone who wishes for “normal cards“ has no idea what they are doing. It's an old myth that only hobbyists and the inexperienced have such a desire sometimes. We don't always have to imagine an inexperienced beginner who immediately hands over his utensils after a performance (for reasons like magicians guilt, over-proofing, over-thinking or pure thoughtlessness). If the impression/information is given that normal cards are used, then logically buyers will expect that. Knowing that props are theoretically examinable always give us certain information. After watching the trailer some people surely expected that no R&S is being used. Not everybody likes R&S. It’s obviously also a bigger seller if people exclude this method and still can hope for a new innovative gimmick (because they were told it’s a normal deck and one card only). Which it isn’t but that’s ok if you know the pros, cons and limits. I also asked myself if I could implement QD with other/own concepts and ideas. If it allows for a index combination, If I could use other card types (business cards, normal cards) or just show the back of the card or if I could give the card/deck away as a souvenir without deck switch). To know something is examinable can be just helpful sometimes. |
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adrianrbf Regular user Switzerland 115 Posts
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On Feb 13, 2022, ArtIn wrote: Sure. However, on https://www.murphysmagic.com/product.aspx?id=70726 I read that it includes "One specially gimmicked Quantum Deck". I think nobody should expect an ungimmicked deck when the description clearly says it is gimmicked. |
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