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glowball Special user Nashville TN 832 Posts |
Another advantage of the atom card is that you can have more white space around the perimeter than a regular card. This extra white space can prevent a premature flashing of the target card during the dealing process. This is not a big deal either way but I like for the target to remain hidden during the dealing process.
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Darkness Inner circle 1626 Posts |
Do you really want to reference the name of the product in your patter?
Discussing dark matter might be a more mysterious and thought provoking take on your idea (which btw is very good).
THE SUPERNATURAL ILLUSIONIST & EFFECTS CREATOR WWW.MRDARKNESS.COM
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AutarchicFlux Special user 583 Posts |
Also, seeing the card before you reach the number is a feature, not a bug.
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
I’m not sure about that because clearly seeing the prediction 12 cards or so back and then arriving earlier is why I’m sticking to a white card written prediction or at least white border bikes. At the the very last moment it’s great but not when I have 6 cards to turn and it’s 12 back Gaz.😊 ps it will fly by but I am not out for bee cards that Craig suggests in part of the tutorial.
Trick of the year so far imho nonetheless as it’s a great Caan but an even better utility deck |
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FrankFindley Inner circle 1028 Posts |
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On Feb 26, 2022, glowball wrote: I love these ideas which move the feel of Quantum Deck away from a card trick. Here is my patter for the base CAAN with a hook that has been working great. It is based on the real life Stargate Project. It should play especially well when the next installation of Stranger Things comes back on Netflix. Background: https://www.history.com/news/cia-esp-esp......cold-war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project https://www.kuer.org/health-science-envi......-in-utah Target card is drawn on a blank card by using this template image on both sides: Script: Have you ever heard of the Stargate Project or remote viewing? At the height of the cold war, U.S. military intelligence was desperate to track the location of Soviet submarines which could evade technological detection systems. So, they spent nearly a quarter of a billion dollars in today’s terms exploring ESP. This top secret project was called Stargate. Through Stargate they developed a team of remote viewers who could locate hidden objects around the world just by being given a rough idea where they might be and concentrating on them. For example, they might be told a submarine is in the Persian Gulf and they would be able to give its exact coordinates on a numbered map. Do you believe in that? [Depending on their response]: Yes, I think it might be possible too! or I agree, it seems impossible. But I am still intrigued by it. Well, recently they declassified materials about Stargate including some testing and training techniques. What they did to start is really simple. [Show Quantum Deck] They could take a stack of about 50 blank flash cards commonly used in elementary school. On one of them was drawn the object to be found. This was placed among the other blank cards. The remote viewer was then asked to give its exact position. Would you like to give it a try? In this case it has been put somewhere between position X and Y. Now what I would like you to do is concentrate on the shape of a submarine and the letters S-U-B-M-A-R-I-N-E. OK, now please give me a number between X and Y. Are you sure? O.K. Let’s see how well you did. We will count out the cards showing both sides. One, Two, Three… I can’t believe it. You found it! All the other cards are completely blank. Give them a look over. Really makes you think, doesn’t it? [Note: If the spectators are really engaged with the story, I will follow this up with Bang On 2.0 where spectator visualizes which card I have in my wallet. They work really well together.] |
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rgnprof Regular user 157 Posts |
I also have been looking for other cards to use - not particularly liking the playing card, as I was trying to remove it a bit from being a card trick (Yes, I know it's a card trick). I have been working on a routine with Mark Mason's Where in the World, which I'm sure most of you know is another blank deck effect. I am thinking - start off with WITW and after ending up with my force card (I use a postcard reveal in an envelope that my brother sent me from Paris France - if you have the effect, or X-Act, you will follow my routine), use that card in Quantum. Openly tell them "Let's really follow this up, you seem to be quite intuitive so I'm going to place this card in a specific position in the middle of this completely blank deck...I know where it is, but do you?" Show them the deck and - without them seeing where you place the card - put it in QD position.
Ask for a number and follow through with QD. Have had no problem with the range issue at all using this approach and I'm trying to decide if it would strengthen the effect to have the Spec. write their name (or something...) in Sharpie on the reverse side of my WITW force card before putting it in the QD (then giving it to them as a souvenir). Easy enough to replace these cards...At this point, depending on the number named the count may stop on a blank, but then you turn the card over revealing that it's the same card from the WITW deck. Hope that is easy enough to follow. I preferred the approach of showing the card first and then placing it in the deck and that led to this combination. I also like that the white target card does hide the reveal in QD while counting. My biggest issue is I'm still having trouble counting the d****** to the table. Cards are s******** and I'm thinking my deck needs to be tighter. Feel free to pick this idea apart! |
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
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On Feb 26, 2022, rgnprof wrote: My biggest issue is I'm still having trouble counting the d****** to the table. Cards are s******** and I'm thinking my deck needs to be tighter. I find it doesn’t matter as long as there are already 2 or 3 cards already dealt. If you have to deal all d****** then I count about 3 from hand to hand and then say I’ll even do it very slowly on the table, place those 3 down on the table and continue dealing down onto those from there. |
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glowball Special user Nashville TN 832 Posts |
Darkness wrote:
"Do you really want to reference the name of the product in your patter?" My response: I thought about that and then I also thought are the spectators really going to get on the internet and type in "quantum card" to see how the trick is done? nah I don't think so, and even if they did they would really have to dig to find anything revealing. If referring to the trick that has a portion of the name is an issue then I guess the thousands of magicians should not be talking about "an invisible deck" nor a trick that is "out of this world" when doing out of this world, nor should they mention the words "zigzag" when doing the zigzag illusion. I and others have used the term "quantum" when doing other tricks especially the term "quantum entanglement" for certain tricks. I do a lot of science and science fiction themed magic so the term "quantum" fits right in. In spite of my above counter arguments in order to make magicians happy I may just call the card "the quark card" or "the atomic card" or as you suggested the "dark matter" card. Thanks. glowball |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
To rgnprof
I love where in the world and have it so it appears there is literally only one outcome. This is due to the brilliant Chandaulope envelope from the Harpacrown book and a mixture of cities and countries that disguises their links Gaz.😊 |
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User101 Regular user 176 Posts |
For anyone familair with Peter Turner's Clairvoyance routine maybe it would work with QD? It loses Spec naming a number instead they "freely" deal a number which reveals a card(I prefer the routine of Craig's where he forces a card from another deck)that not only matches but has been written down in plain view all along with the freely chosen number and all other cards are blank!
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rgnprof Regular user 157 Posts |
I love it too - I think I'm doing something similar where my outcome is City/Country. I use a postcard that has a drawing of a world map as the initial reveal (much like a 52 on 1 card), then turn the card over to reveal a note from exactly where the postcard was mailed from - complete with postmarked French stamps!
I liked the idea of bringing out 2 blank decks - telling them I've written on one, but we'll save the blank one for a bit later... |
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rbromley Regular user USA 175 Posts |
Just a side note:
I received my deck that Vanishing Inc was given permission to make in-house and sell--this deck is the best made one of the three I received. The VI team produced these exactly how I like these types of gimmicks to be. I recommend getting one from them, if yours is troublesome. Or make your own, assuming you have paid for the tutorial. 😁 |
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lucianoristori New user 12 Posts |
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On Feb 4, 2022, MurphysNEW wrote: The only issue I have with this is the claim that the deck is examinable. Obviously the deck is gimmicked and, although that may go unnoticed by a quick examination by a layman, it will be immediately evident even to a beginner magician. |
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252life Inner circle Ninth Circle, Hades 3243 Posts |
^^ that’s starting it mildly
Look for all the world like you're counting the brain cells in his cranium.
-Theodore Annemann |
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AutarchicFlux Special user 583 Posts |
Funny, I've fooled a number of magicians with it so far who have looked through the cards and noticed nothing.
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DJ Trix Inner circle 1197 Posts |
Quantum Deck by Craig Petty [/quote]
The only issue I have with this is the claim that the deck is examinable. Obviously the deck is gimmicked and, although that may go unnoticed by a quick examination by a layman, it will be immediately evident even to a beginner magician. [/quote] Yeah its really unfortunate Craig decided to make that false claim. Clearly any of those giants in the trailer would have discovered the method within seconds, as would an amateur like you said. Also he clearly states 'They are only blank cards' in the trailer which is a deceitful statement because he is leaving out a key factor. They arnt only blank cards. LOL. Why creators decide to lie to the community in this way is really unfortunate and makes it difficult to buy new magic. |
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rbromley Regular user USA 175 Posts |
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On Feb 26, 2022, lucianoristori wrote: I think the problem is that magician's take the word examinable to mean "You will think everything is 100% normal". This is examinable, every physical effect is by definition examinable, it just depends on if something is noticed that gives way to the method. I don't know why you would do a high selling effect like this to another magician and hand them the cards and hope they don't notice the gimmick--why is this a concern? Craig likely knew that they would not guess the method and would gladly hand the cards out. All that matters is that a lay person can handle them, if you really need them to, and won't guess the method...you may get one person some day that suspects a gimmick, but not how you did it. So much focus on this, too funny. |
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4187 Posts |
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On Feb 27, 2022, lucianoristori wrote: The first question is do you plan on doing it for magicians who will probably already know about the Quantum deck? As far as laymen are concerned my Mrs had a bloody good look and found nothing. I have had a think about whether I would have found anything if I had been given the deck to examine and I am not convinced I would. When a magician gives me something to examine I am already subconsciously assuming there is nothing to find and so my examination would likely be similar to the magician examining the deck in Craig’s video which is more of a quick look than a thorough examination. When I pick up my own Quantum deck and spread it, it is not immediately obvious that the deck is gaffed. My own examination would likely be a quick spread through face up, flip them over and then spread them again. I would be unlikely to spread them in a manner that would reveal the secret. Even knowing the secret it is not immediately obvious on my own deck and I suspect I would have to be specifically looking for that feature in order to find it. I don’t think I’d have been looking for that if Craig handed me the deck after showing me the effect even if he didn’t use the deck set up for magicians. In my experience at conventions and lectures when I hand something to a magician and say “you can examine that” they usually have that same subconscious assumption that I wouldn’t let them examine it if there was anything to find. As a result the item is given a cursory glance then handed back. I have handed Flictionary to magicians to examine countless times and never had one find the secret. I simply place the spine in their left hand and they flick through and see the pages are all different and hand it back. That effect on paper is far less examinable than the Quantum deck. Julie didn’t do my “magicians” examination, she had a bloody good look at the cards and found nothing. Mark |
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Andrew Zuber Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 3014 Posts |
The trailer/examinability argument has been discussed to death on this thread.
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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Rory111 Regular user 134 Posts |
Yes, I agree the trailer/examinability argument has been discussed to death on this thread. If you believe that something unscrupulous has been done in either marketing by Murphy's or Craig's claims... then don't buy Quantum and move on. But, I know that many of you enjoy bashing and trashing others to make yourselves feel significant... even if you are only "wise in your own eyes".
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