On Feb 5, 2022, dirtyfoucault wrote:
There is something about the outdated green background and rabbit-pulled-out-of-hat silhouettes that seems to bring out the absolute worst in some people. I didn't come on here for years and, as someone who suffers with depression and anxiety, sometimes regret doing so. God knows how Craig feels. It must make you feel like giving up. Yes, the Café is often useful but why is the vibe so often negative? Take this release: none of us have a copy in our hands yet and already there's a backlash. There's a one-upmanship of knowledge - kick another magician and their product based on how much you know of previous tricks and history so you are best. Playground stuff. And I say this as someone who's guilty of the same offense.

Maybe the moderators could work on making this place a little more civilised? The active user base seems to be shrinking and it's not hard to see why ..

On Feb 5, 2022, ClementLousy wrote:

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On Feb 5, 2022, dirtyfoucault wrote:
There is something about the outdated green background and rabbit-pulled-out-of-hat silhouettes that seems to bring out the absolute worst in some people. I didn't come on here for years and, as someone who suffers with depression and anxiety, sometimes regret doing so. God knows how Craig feels. It must make you feel like giving up. Yes, the Café is often useful but why is the vibe so often negative? Take this release: none of us have a copy in our hands yet and already there's a backlash. There's a one-upmanship of knowledge - kick another magician and their product based on how much you know of previous tricks and history so you are best. Playground stuff. And I say this as someone who's guilty of the same offense.

Maybe the moderators could work on making this place a little more civilised? The active user base seems to be shrinking and it's not hard to see why ..

Good on you for being open about depression and anxiety, that's something that's been a problem for me too over the years. Hope you're getting on top of it

On Feb 5, 2022, Gaz Lawrence wrote:

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On Feb 5, 2022, ClementLousy wrote:

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On Feb 5, 2022, dirtyfoucault wrote:
There is something about the outdated green background and rabbit-pulled-out-of-hat silhouettes that seems to bring out the absolute worst in some people. I didn't come on here for years and, as someone who suffers with depression and anxiety, sometimes regret doing so. God knows how Craig feels. It must make you feel like giving up. Yes, the Café is often useful but why is the vibe so often negative? Take this release: none of us have a copy in our hands yet and already there's a backlash. There's a one-upmanship of knowledge - kick another magician and their product based on how much you know of previous tricks and history so you are best. Playground stuff. And I say this as someone who's guilty of the same offense.

Maybe the moderators could work on making this place a little more civilised? The active user base seems to be shrinking and it's not hard to see why ..

Good on you for being open about depression and anxiety, that's something that's been a problem for me too over the years. Hope you're getting on top of it

I agree on this, it’s the worst overlooked illness in the world imho.
I wish everybody well who has suffered from either or both of these Gaz.😊

On Feb 5, 2022, ClementLousy wrote:

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On Feb 5, 2022, dirtyfoucault wrote:
There is something about the outdated green background and rabbit-pulled-out-of-hat silhouettes that seems to bring out the absolute worst in some people. I didn't come on here for years and, as someone who suffers with depression and anxiety, sometimes regret doing so. God knows how Craig feels. It must make you feel like giving up. Yes, the Café is often useful but why is the vibe so often negative? Take this release: none of us have a copy in our hands yet and already there's a backlash. There's a one-upmanship of knowledge - kick another magician and their product based on how much you know of previous tricks and history so you are best. Playground stuff. And I say this as someone who's guilty of the same offense.

Maybe the moderators could work on making this place a little more civilised? The active user base seems to be shrinking and it's not hard to see why ..

Good on you for being open about depression and anxiety, that's something that's been a problem for me too over the years. Hope you're getting on top of it

On Feb 5, 2022, edwardowen93 wrote:

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On Feb 5, 2022, Craig Petty wrote:

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On Feb 5, 2022, Roberto W wrote:
On the trailer I’m sure there was counting at about 47 cards dealing out loud. So is it literally is a case of any number named 1-52? Only in the performance with Adam, the suggestion was to name a number somewhere in the middle? Just wanted clarification if any number could be named eg 3 or say 50 etc?
Thanks

If the spectator names 10 to 31 you do nothing. If they name out of range there is one simple move that you use to move it to that position. I go through three ways of doing this including a self working way. Most people name within range and there are full live performances of every possible option.

I wonder what that involves...oh wait...

I think that when/if you start moving cards around after a spectator names a number you may as well do this exact effect with a shift and a truly normal, examinable deck. Instead of a normal card in a double blank R**** & S**** deck that we are all pretending smart people won't notice? This is like trying to sell a CAN with a normal deck by saying that 'with only one cut' the card can be found at any number...

I guess this makes a usually difficult method easy for anyone to do, that is probably why everyone likes it so far and so much.

The problem (I think) with this release from Craig is that this isn't new this method and effect is already in print with playing cards and business cards by a bunch of respected creators and legends of magic.

So is it right for Craig to make money on this or even to release this? I think the answer here is no.

I have no doubt that I will get attacked for saying the truth here but this time, I can't not speak up.

Edward

So hang on let me get this straight. Nobody has seen the tutorial and outside of people guessing at the method nobody knows exactly what is happening here. But you have decided that I’m unethical and shouldn’t have released it because the method is in print before.

First of all point me to somewhere where this trick has been done before. Please give me a link. I’m very curious with what you come up with. You can’t make a claim like that without backing it up.

Secondly I showed this to some of the most respected creators in magic and all loved it and said it was very unique. And yet you based on a thread on the magic Café are calling me out.

Finally regarding shifting the card to a different location it’s an invisible move. Nobody will see anything at all. It doesn’t look like anything has happened. However using any shift is the last resort as the way I do it people always name a card in range and I spend a long time talking on the project about how to make sure that happens almost every single time.

Now as for saying I shouldn’t have released it I think there are thousands of magicians that would disagree either you.

Now do me a favour and next time you want to call my ethics into question just go forth and multiply.

Hi Craig,

That's the reply I expected, thank you.

I know what I can see there on the videos and based on the fact that you are using blank DB's and have a limited range (otherwise you have to move some cards) it can only be what I am saying that it is. And you can see in the video that you count from one side or the other. When you repeat it for Adam W you count from the other side of the deck. You have also alluded to the use of chemicals here, so please don't insult me by claiming this to not be exactly what it is. I'm not saying its bad, just that with a shift and a normal deck blank or not you can do exactly the same effect.

Where is it in print? I'm telling you that not just R/S but using d**** d**** or r****** p**** to deal cards as 1 or 2 has been in print before. You should have found where before releasing this though?

The people you have shown it to just don't know enough, no offence to them, or you.

I will see the tutorial and be the judge of whether when you shift cards, if it is an invisible move. My point is that if you are shifting cards, you have no need for the other part for the method in play here. I agree that its very easy to get people to call a number in your range.

Mature there Craig, maybe before you release your next trick - do it for long enough to know if its new or not.

This is not. Shame.

On Feb 5, 2022, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
I have personally spoken to Craig about an hour ago on the phone.
I can tell you now this is brilliant, and the cards (all of them) can be given to the spectator at the end without any fear at all.
It’s really is that good, I’m going to be watching the tutorial for 5 straight hours tomorrow Gaz.😊

On Feb 5, 2022, Craig Petty wrote:
Secondly if there is something out there with a similar effect using technique instead of a gimmick why should that be a reason for not releasing a new method. If there is a new method that allows a trick to be performed in a much easier way without using sleight of hand and therefore allows the magician to focus on presentation why is that wrong.

On Feb 5, 2022, The great Gumbini wrote:
One little tidbit of information that I've learned over the years of the especially doing mentalism is when you create the atmosphere where The Spectator is the hero they are the ones who picked the right number where you put the card They are the right ones who said where that card was at. I guarantee you the last thing on their mind will be to want to inspect the cards. In a round about way that would mean they did not have that mental success.


Good magic to all,

Eric

On Feb 5, 2022, Gaz Lawrence wrote:

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On Feb 5, 2022, dirtyfoucault wrote:
There is something about the outdated green background and rabbit-pulled-out-of-hat silhouettes that seems to bring out the absolute worst in some people. I didn't come on here for years and, as someone who suffers with depression and anxiety, sometimes regret doing so. God knows how Craig feels. It must make you feel like giving up. Yes, the Café is often useful but why is the vibe so often negative? Take this release: none of us have a copy in our hands yet and already there's a backlash. There's a one-upmanship of knowledge - kick another magician and their product based on how much you know of previous tricks and history so you are best. Playground stuff. And I say this as someone who's guilty of the same offense.

Well said Gaz,yup totally agree

Maybe the moderators could work on making this place a little more civilised? The active user base seems to be shrinking and it's not hard to see why ..

This is the whole reason I am on here and don’t do Facebook etc as that’s where the real trolls etc are. The numbers here are going down actually so the vipers snipers or whatever you want to call them have more topics and ill informed knowledge to spout it out on (Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat etc)
You will find it’s the lurkers and the people who have left who generally come back dipping in and out to snipe not actually the regular users.
Every magician like it or loathe it looks at these green pages because they know it offers 10 life times of information dedicated to magic.
That’s my honest opinion and In fact I know loads who tell me they don’t post anymore they just don’t sign in and lurk Gaz.😊