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trevorsmagic Regular user The U.K. 186 Posts |
Hi guys,
On Saturday last i was working at a function working the tables,when i produced the three cards for Michael Skinners ultimate monte i let them see the cards (well most of them)put the cards down and asked a spec to point to the ace,straight away this guy picked up the three cards and turned them face up.AAAHH i thought the rest of the table complained to him for spoiling the trick(poss out of sympathy for me)i just picked up the cards and moved on to a table across the room. The question is (after doing this trick dozens of times)this has never happened before what went wrong??and has anything like this happened to you guys and what did you do?. regards Trevor |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
I've had a similar experience a couple of times. Once I set a CSB coin on the table and the man next to me grabbed it. One other time I was doing a one-coin routine and the man next to me grabbed my hand and practically pried it open. In the first case only the man who grabbed the coin saw what it was so I finished the routine. In the second case I simply said "Thank you" to the rest of the people at the table and left. In both cases the antagonist had had too much to drink.
My only advice is to be careful. When table-hopping it's better to keep gaffs under your control; only set things on the table if you're willing to have them picked up. If I'm doing something like "Stabbed Coincidence", for example, when I set the prediction card on the table I ask to borrow something (a glass, a bottle, whatever) to set on top of it. I explain that I do this so that they know that I'm not going to mess with it. I don't explain that I really do it so that they don't mess with it. |
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Devils Advocaat Loyal user London 248 Posts |
I was constantly having people accusing me of cheating and having my decks grabbed years ago simply because I used Tally-Ho's and Bikes. And Aviators. And Piatniks'. What I should have been using all along of course was those *high quality* Waddingtons. Nothing can touch 'em (including me).
In the UK not many, if any, had seen these types of cards. Is it any different now? Frank.
"My Karma ran over my Dogma..."
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trevorsmagic Regular user The U.K. 186 Posts |
The cards were Bikes which look "normal"to most specs,i guess some people just like to make us look silly.I forgot to say that as i left the table i said so they could hear"its no problem...i remember when i had my first drink"that did at least get a good laugh at his expence.
Trevor |
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p.b.jones Inner circle Milford Haven. Pembrokeshire wales U.K. 2642 Posts |
"The question is (after doing this trick dozens of times)this has never happened before what went wrong??"
HI, Possibilities. 1. You put stuff on the table. their table in their mind their Territory. 2. Perhaps the guy had seen miss indexed cards before? you get them in kids magic sets 3. Maybe because you put the cards on the table he simply wanted a clearer view. 4. Perhaps something that you did made him suspect that the situation was not as you had led them to believe, he may not have even thought that he would expose a gimmick but rather simply premeturly blow your climax After all a three card monte to a lay person is a gambling scam not a magic trick. very clever but not magic. Phillip |
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Pokie-Poke Special user Bensalem, PA 883 Posts |
I think Phillip hit it on the head with the last one, fi he is a drunk he has seen stupid bar tricks befor and was not going to be fooled agen so when you told him to point out the ace, he fliped them over so he would be sure. some people are just slow.
thats life.
www.pokie-poke.com
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Uli Weigel Inner circle Berlin, Germany 1478 Posts |
Hi Trevor,
don't let spectators actually point to the ace. They may feel embarassed or challenged. A better approach is saying something like: "obviously the ace should be there. But as if by magic, it ended up here". If memory serves me right, the original instructions recommend this kind of presentation also. -Uli |
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Peter Marucci Inner circle 5389 Posts |
I believe Uli has hit on one possible problem: Don't make it a challenge type of thing for the spectator; tell a story about it happening to you or someone else.
And, as Phillip said, you DID invade the spectator's space by putting the cards on the table. That's almost an invitation to grab! But finally you should not have just put away the cards and left the table. Perhaps you were misunderstood or there was some other legitimate reason for what happened; in that case, it would seem as if you were "punishing" that table of customers. And that's not a good thing for the establishment, for you, or for them. Audience management -- that's the key thing to learn. cheers, Peter Marucci showtimecol@aol.com |
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trevorsmagic Regular user The U.K. 186 Posts |
Thanx guys for your help good advice as usual.
Trevor |
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Garrett Nelson Special user 644 Posts |
Uli's advice on the effect is wise indeed!
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charliemagic Special user 545 Posts |
Hi,
What Peter said above 'Don't make it a challenge type of thing for the spectator; tell a story about it happening to you or someone else', is the way I do my presentation. I do this monte a lot. I tell a story about ME playing three card monte & losing all the time. My ending is 'That's why I NEVER play three card monte! |
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Kaliix Inner circle Connecticut 1984 Posts |
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On 2002-07-29 22:29, Peter Marucci wrote: I am a bit torn on this one. I'm all for trying to make the best out of a situation. You can't, however, let someone disrespect you like that. This guy obviously had a problem with seeing magic and was openly hostile. I think, in this particular instance, you pick up and move on.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.
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Mark Ennis Inner circle Raleigh, NC 1031 Posts |
I reread the event and it did not sound like the spectator was hostile. He may have done it innocently.
The key to success is audience management and real world experience is a good teacher for that. However, if you want additional advice, read "Strong Magic" for some very good nuts and bolts technique on making sure that a spoiler doesn't ruin your show.
ME
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Shenaniganz New user Cypress, CA 100 Posts |
I can manage adults- its kids that I cant handle. I've had 3 kids practically attack me while I was doing hopping halves. I had one hanging from my arm, and 2 prying my hand open. Whats up with that?!
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Tony Chapparo Special user Albuquerque, NM 704 Posts |
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On 2002-07-29 21:07, Uli Weigel wrote: I agree, I like to take the sting out of these type of effects so it is non-challenging to the specs. If all else fails and this happens anyway, just thank the rest of the group and move on!
Tony Chapparo
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Elwood Loyal user 287 Posts |
If I get a difficult customer, I just ask the rest of the group if they'd like to see magic, and they always say yes! So I ask them if they'd mind keeping their friend under control. A little bit of peer pressure works wonders!!!
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Alan Munro Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 5952 Posts |
I find that the drunks who don't speak much are the ones who get grabby. I have a lot of fun with the talking drunks -- they have an outlet. The silent drunks seem to have serious issues and I avoid them at all cost. They creep me out, as badly as those who want me to read their fortunes!
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thehawk Inner circle 2275 Posts |
what I like to do is put 3 ordianry cards on the table so they can see them. On top of the deck I have a doubleback card followed by the gaffed cards. I casually mention I am going to do a trick , then lift the cards off the table and put them onto the deck. I then lift all 7 cards over and then I go into the 3 card monte. this seems to take the heat off gaffed cards.
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Doug Byrd Veteran user VA 361 Posts |
A couple of things I would do in a situation like that is...
1. Offer to roll the gent a cigarette. (Using flash paper instead of rolling paper) I call this the flaming eyebrows trick. 2. Grab the spectator's arm and bite till you get blood. 3. Magically produce a large Crocadile Dundee Bowie Knife and slam it point down into the table and with a cold stare and a commanding voice say, "MAY I CONTINUE NOW!" Doug (Gee I wonder why I can't keep a table hopping job?) Byrd
"Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc"
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Swami Bill Regular user Le Monde 135 Posts |
Trevor - A blessing in disguise? We practice, practice, practice and rehearse, rehearse, rehearse but little can prepare us for what you described. Richard has some great advice. While you can't control what the spec does you can control how you react... or don't. Which begs the qsuestion: how can we prepare ourselves for these eventualities? Any ideas?
Swami Bill
That's MISTER Swami Bill to you.
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