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While I would never use playing cards in a mentalism performance for the reasons mentioned it is because I work for a general audience. Of course, cards are more typical and accepted in a metaphysical store and to that audience.

The question posed appeared as it to apply generally to mentalists most of which perform for general audiences. Once again, context is king.

Sure if you perform for a magic audience cards are no problem. Sure if you perform in casinos cards are no problem. But these along with metaphysical venues are specific or niche markets and audiences and typically would not apply to such generalizations as to mentalists and most's general audiences.
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I can't get rid of the feeling that you created this thread only for the purpose of getting people to click on your signature?
I mean... this is a topic that always gets people going and in your three posts you always ask people to click on your signature or hint on a secret routine you might have to sell?
Please... if you'd like to advertise something just do so openly!
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Jair, please do not click on my signature.

This is the kind of thing that turns people off to the Café. Particularly the Penny For Your Thoughts section.

Go back and read what I wrote. Is this all you've gotten from what I've written in this thread?

And please, once again, don't click on my signature.
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You see the subliminal hint there, using reverse psychology to FORCE us to click on your sig.

I.... MUST.... NOT... CLICK....

Rats, I clicked.

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His evil tricks won’t work on me. I’ve already purchased Dr. Wendy Woo’s Black Swan and Remote Viewing experiment a long time ago.(Both are excellent.)

You have already enjoyed and spent my money Alexandre. Jokes on you!
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No harm meant. I am sure Alexandre´s material is excellent.
Just a little tired of those 90's sales tactics...
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On Mar 20, 2022, Jair wrote:
No harm meant. I am sure Alexandre´s material is excellent.
Just a little tired of those 90's sales tactics...

Can't say I've ever seen a forum signature called a 90's sales tactic before.

Back to the topic, as it's been discussed before, this will simply come down to the performer's individual comfort and taste. If a performer feels like it will associate them too much with magic, then they should by all means avoid it.
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I think a key here is in what you're presenting

If you want to appear to read minds in the "purest" way then using them might be unfruitful

Instead think of ASKING for a favourite card

or doing hands off style THINKING effects

I think cutting cards or taking a bunch is more mental magic

But I don't think they're irrelevant
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I don't have an issue with playing card in Mentalism, it's just not my style. I like Mentalism in part because it is so different than magic in general and playing cards have become ubiquitous as a magic prop.
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I guess It really depends on what we mean by mentalism, some people mean being readers, or presenting what they do in a very strong way.

Personally these days I do what I think of as "light mentalism" and its very much for "entertainment" and I often refer to it as a "kind of magic". whilst I might do a name reveal, I avoid personal information these days. Generally I try not to perform "too strong" most of the time. ( I know this proberly goes against the grain of a lot current thinking in mentalism.) That doesn't mean I don't leave it open to infer that what I do is real, its just that if I had these superstrong mentalism abilities I don't know why I would be using them doing show, instead of solving crimes or something equally useful.

I take a lot of my inspiration from canasta - who used cards as a means to create effects with people, and to demonstrate his own mental abilities that he implied where connected to memory. ( though that was incongruent with what he actually did.)

And I also agree with Osterlind that most people use cards for games, then think of tricks and then might think of them for readings.

But in an entertainment setting absolutely cards are connected to tricks in the audiences mind unless we lead them somewhere else. ( ie speak of games or gambling.)

The thing is they are familiar objects for people, so saying think of a card is understandable. More familiar than say a random collection of images, or esp cards. ( and I do use both these things so not knocking them.)

In my context a number of classic mentalist card routines work very well. I don't generally do loads of them, in a stage show I do one longer routine that uses cards and goes other well and that's it, and it comes early in the set.

Walkabout I will use one or two routines that use thought of cards. and I use the BCS and have done for nearly 20 years now.

I don't mind if people think of them as tricks or indeed of any thing that I do as tricks ( though I personally avoid the word.) I let them decide what to think of what I do. often they don't think they are tricks or they are intrequed about whether they are or not - that's a space I feel comfortable with.

But other mentalists have different goals and a different comfort level with there claims,( I discovered that I was not too comfortable play very strong. since I dropped that my routines all work better for me and my personae - some what ironically.)

if I was to play "strong" though I would completly avoid cards. ( unless is used them for legitimate readings.)

I think this differentiation is worth considering, and perhaps where a lot of the difference of opinion creeps in.

Basically what I think is, when we talk about mentalism we are not all doing the same thing or playing it to the same level. ( maybe that's obvious but it docsnt always appear so in these debates._) I hate to say it but mentalism is a spectrum and cards fit along a part of that spectrum and not along another part of it, in my opinion.

Anyway just wanted to add this perspective to the ancient and venerable cards and mentalism debate.
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