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Regan,

What brand is your Mini Disc? I could see what I come up with.
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I'm interested in the same thing: an RF remote to control my Sony CD player. Someone posted above that there was an RF remote that worked through a Sony CD player's headphone jack.
My CD player has an IR remote and I don't like using is much, but an RF would be a godsend to the way I'm working right now! Thanks.

Jim
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I have a Sony MZ-NH900 minidisk player/recorder on order.
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The following are products that I want people to be aware of, I don’t have them, so if you buy them and they work let us know. If they suck also let us know.

IPOD RF REMOTE FOR $40.00- $50.00 bucks
I read this article at:

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000520026578/

They mention an RF IPOD remote for $40.00 bucks that you can buy at the following address.

http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/airclick/index.php


Another article I read is at:

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000327026993

It can be ordered at:

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.......ROD=IJET

Personally I don’t have these products or an Ipod.



CONVERTING AN IR (infra red signal) REMOTE TO RF (radio frequency) Remote for $49.99

Visit this site for a remote extender, it converts the IR signal to RF so you can have an RF on your existing CD player remote, Boom box or if your Mini Disc has a remote it should covert the signal. Please note that your audio equipment must use a remote since it must have a receiver. If you lost the remote you can get a Universal Remote and program it.

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.......ROD=LRRX

James in La,

Look into an IR to RF convertor.

The person that posted about a CD player RF remote is Majiloon who is Kelly the owner/maker or VSM, Virtual Sound Man. Private Message him, he might have a solution for you. I am not sure about his prices.

Regan,

I'll see what I can come up with. You might also want to send a message to Kelly.
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This is cool RF control of ipod for 40 bucks they even have a usb one for PC for 50 bucks. This will RF control your i-pod and your laptop I am ordering one
http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/airclick/index.php
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Thanks a metric ton. This information is really exciting.

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Hi all

I happen to be the product manager and one of the engineers of the AirClick RF remote for the iPod. It seems no company is developing solutions specifically for performers using an iPod, and I would highly recommend you take a look at our AirClick product at http://griffintechnology.com/products/airclick/index.php

We work closely with Apple, know all the iPod's remote protocols, so you can be assured that this product will not let you down in the middle of your show.

It's $40 and has a very small remote with a clip, and works up to 60ft. (realistically, 35-40).

We are also seriously considering adding some performance features, where you can control any of the iPod's functions, such as pause between songs, etc. soon. That way, you could build a playlist and add any specific command you might need for your show.

This will not be implemented in the first shipping version of the AirClick, and I would like to hear some feedback regarding what you would like to see in a remote audio performance solution.

We also are making an RF USB dongle, where you can control your computer remotely, so if you want to control your songs during a performance with, say, a laptop, this would be ideal.

We will be shipping in approx. 4 weeks.

The AirClick comes in three versions, one for iPod (dock connector), one for iPod mini, and the USB dongle that works on both Macs and PCs.

If you have any suggestons or want more info, PM me, or email me at jason@griffintechnology.com

And yes, I'm a magician.

Take care

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Jason,
You said the remote doesn't control all the iPod functions, like pause? What iPod functions does the remote control?
Thanks,
Jim
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Hey Jason.

This is all great news, and thanks for the extra information.

I'll ask a stupid question about the AirClick RF remote control for the Ipod-Mini. Do either the Ipod-mini or the AirClick RF Remote have to be hooked up to a power outlet for everything to work? Or does it all run off battery power (from the ipod-mini?).

I ask because I often use my Ipod-mini and Sound System in shows where there is no nearby power outlet, and it all runs of battery power.


-malini.
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Jim
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You said the remote doesn't control all the iPod functions, like pause? What iPod functions does the remote control?


The remote has 5 buttons:

Play/Pause (press once to play, press again to pause)
Volume Up
Volume Down
Next Song (If you hold the button down, it will fast forward the song)
Previous Song (If you hold the button down, it will rewind the song)

Thanks for the interest

Jason

Malini

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Do either the Ipod-mini or the AirClick RF Remote have to be hooked up to a power outlet for everything to work? Or does it all run off battery power (from the ipod-mini?).


The AirClick receiver draws power from the iPod, so no other power is required. The receiver does go into sleep mode after a period of inactivity as to not drain the iPod's battery, but, of course, wakes up immediately.

The remote has a battery, but it lasts an estimated bajillion years.

Take care

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Jason,

Im glad that your a Café Member, is the USB remote going to eventually support WINAMP. You should read this whole thread and maybe you'll get some ideas.

Also, can the AirClick control a MiniDisk player? I read a rumor in some forum.

G0THIKE
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When is availability Jason?
This appears to be exactly what we as magicians have been looking for. iPods have just annouced a price drop (just under 200. ) on the 4G model so your product at 40. this truly is a high performance "Poor mans remote control cue" system at way less than dedicated control systems.
Remember ANY of your posts here can be Googled by your customers and Clients. Just entering your name in Google can bring up your negative comments that stay for years!
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Walter-
These little $40 iPod remotes are junk- none of the 3 manufacturers know anything about stage environemnts or the challeges for the live performer- so you will not have the features you need- and the dependability that is required for your live performance.

Aside from that-these remotes are model specific- they very well may not be compatible with the next generation iPod. THey use an interface that is cloned from the inteface of the recent iPod. unfortunately- iPod has a bad habit of changing the interface - 3 changes in the last 5 versions that they introduce. So if you get a new iPod in a year- there is not gaurunty that this remote you buy now will work.

All three of these units use a OEM keybob transmitter that I have already worked with and could design a reciever to match it with the power rating they use for the receiver- for $40- but - but its still junk-

This is just a AM cheap-out remote that is in no way appropriate for the professional-
It does not have the features required - nor do they have the power to handle the job.
If you want more specifics- then you can give me a call- but I will not educate these poeple by publishing a lesson plan on line.

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Kelly,

The name of this thread is "Poor Man’s Remote Control Sound Cue" which means an affordable way to cue your own sound. Some of us magicians are starving students, hobbyist, doing birthday parties to make some money to pay the bills or broke. We can not afford your VSM and for the magicians that may get one stage show a year your device is not an option.

If I had a National Tour or Vegas contract, I would buy your VSM, actually I would have a sound guy. I know the remotes are AM since they are small but it is radio frequencies and it’s a step up from IR. I also know that I can’t stand 100 feet and trigger a cue but I will settle for 30-60 feet, depending on any interference. Your remote is FM and a better signal, design and other stuff but I personally don’t have $800.00 to send to your bank account.

As for the $40.00 Griffin Technology IPod RF remote, If it can trigger an IPOD at 30 feet I am a happy camper. It may not have auto fade, an LCD display, all the bells and whistles but I am happy.

Maybe Jason will fill us in on the changing IPOD Interface? Jason?

G0THIKE
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On 2005-02-26 21:40, Majiloon wrote:
Walter-
These little $40 iPod remotes are junk- none of the 3 manufacturers know anything about stage environemnts or the challeges for the live performer- so you will not have the features you need- and the dependability that is required for your live performance.


Pretty bold statement coming from someone who has never even used one.

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Aside from that-these remotes are model specific- they very well may not be compatible with the next generation iPod.


Let's wait to find out before making such a statement.


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So if you get a new iPod in a year- there is not gaurunty that this remote you buy now will work.


I'll spend another $40 if needed to "upgrade". Your system offers no such upgrade. I would have to ditch the initial investment and start all over with your stuff. Showtek allows an upgrade path to retain your initial investment.

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This is just a AM cheap-out remote that is in no way appropriate for the professional-


Hmmm. I thought you also sold AM remotes.

And I agree with the originator of this thread. There are plenty people reading this that could benefit.

G. (wondering why Kelly always thinks *his* is the only solution???)
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I woild like to see your response to this slam.
looking on the web site the RF frequency used is 433.92MHz
This is more than likly FM, anyway I would trust a product that
is being sold to the masses more than I would something from a small independant maufacturer for the magic community.
There are very tough FCC laws on RF and EMC and this product will have been through all these tests.
Does the other thing mentioned have the required FCC tests and labeling on it?
Has it gone through EMC tests?
Has it got the tougher CE testing to sell in europe?
I don't know the answer but I would go with the 40 bucks and my I-pod thank you very much
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Excuse me gothick-
But this forum is for everyone- If I have a perspective on technical issues- and I have the time to spend - then I tend leave them- whether there are ‘your’ thread or not, just as you have seen fit to invade my threads.

As for mr-batson- I am an electronic – radio engineer- I said that I have used these remotes- I have literally built systems to match them- I have worked with AM remotes- raw AM transmitters daughter boards and the separate ELECTRONIC COMPONENTS -made from various companies from around the world. I make it my business to know what type of devices are available and research/develop compatible radio prototypes. Do you know how many types of low power AM transmitter or receiver daughter boards and pre made components are out there? You have no idea-

When I say AM remote- in this case and in any case that I have seen exposed in this industry- I know where they come from- and what they are made with- but there are several other AM components that are available- that are far superior to what has been used like in these set-ups. You have no idea-
If I use an AM system- then it is the best in its class at least 4 times over- i.e. dual superHet SAW controlled with a sensitively of at least –106db, and rated at least with 6 volts for the receiver- and not like the 3 volt system used in these $40 iPod remotes. And I would never put my receiver 2 inches away from the internal EMF created by the HDD within a device like an iPod.

You comments on My Upgrades- are absolute false- no- it’s a lie- like many other part-truths that I find represented in some of these threads. I have given customers credit for trade-ins within reason. I give my customers software upgrades regularly- even customizing chips to meet the needs of my customers, as I have for years.

I couldn’t care less if you want to buy these- and if you somehow think that I am threatened by these iPod RF remotes- you’re wrong- and you’re wrong to assume that I somehow I am amused by your utter disrespect.

As for whether I think MY device is the only solution- is childish comment- I actually have respect for Kerry- and after ripping open one of his systems- I have a better understanding of what he had to go through to make his system. I have stated so in my report. I have in fact referred several people to him.
Once again-You don’t know what you’re talking about.
He and I can stand united & confident that our systems were developed and uniquely crafted to meet the challenges of the busy professional or those who want to be one. If your not one of those 2 categories- then I couldn’t care less what you do- it is these 2 categories that I care a great deal.
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Do your products carry the required FCC tests and labeling on them?
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I looked into the IR to RF remote converter. It will work with any IR remote that takes AAA or AA batteries. The way it works is that one of the two IR remote batteries is replaced with an RF transmitter and a rechargeable, short battery. This combo of transmitter and short battery takes the place of one of the normal batteries. The unit comes with two such short, recharable batteries. The only snag is that they don't sell the batteries seperately! At least not yet. The guy was very unconvincing as if they ever would sell the batteries seperately. I also couldn't get much info on whether or not the recharable batteries suffer from "memory effect" like a laptop battery does. I'd hate to have to buy a whole new unit in a few months just to replace the batteries.

I wonder if there are other IF to RF converters out there that don't have this problem?

Jim
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On 2005-02-27 16:22, bloodyjack wrote:
Majiloon
Do your products carry the required FCC tests and labeling on them?


Interesting question, Bloodyjack. Is the "user" in violation of any law if using a device that does *not* pass required FCC tests?

G.
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