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EricClark
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I seem to remember somebody using postcards and having some neat little story about traveling, etc.
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That 'sombody' was likely David Roth and his story about Stonehenge.
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I do Doc Daley's last trick and then use those cards for Curtis's brilliant Inverted Matrix from his Silverado DVD.
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I'm with you 100% Chris. Curtis' Inverted Matrix is the only matrix bit that I do. It's very quick, to the point, and very visual.

Well, to be totally honest, I use John Kennedy's Impossible Matrix gimmick once in a while, it's good for all sorts transpo's.

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Hi,
A visual killer, USING ANY 4 OBJECTS OR EVEN 4 different objects and ONLY the Hands. It's fun cause you will fool yhourslef with this conceit (a great word for it).
See Dean Dill's versiion. He'll tell you where to get it; I could, but heck, it is his routine.
Marty Kaplan

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Need I add that--of course--it is totally impromptu (which Kennedy's first part is not and Ammar's Sahdow Coins are not)
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I love the postcards idea...a lot of good routining could come from that.
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I believe back in the 70's Fred Bauman had a routine where he performed a coin assembly on spectator's hands. He used a concealment that is not used very often in coin magic nowadays, and his routine may be in his book (if you can still find a copy around).
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On 2004-06-27 02:56, JasonDean wrote:
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On 2004-06-26 04:55, Curtis Kam wrote:
The hands of two spectators. Smile

Come back when you're ready, and we'll compare methods.



Curtis,
John Born and I have played with this idea for awhile now.
I think the idea of using the spectators hands is really cool! I would like to compare some ideas with you.
Jason


A-Hah....I thought Mr. Born had been conspiciously quiet recently. Hmmm, PM me.
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Your business card does not have to cover the four coins. It only has to cover the one coin that is about to magically appear.
I sometimes use 2 one dollar bills that have been cut in half. I ask if anyone has four half dollars. No one ever does so I get to say "Never mind I have four half dollars." and bring the four pieces of the 2 bills from my wallet. There is more to the routine of course but that's how the covers are introduced.
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Roth's idea is brilliant and the accompanying presentation is also worth merit.
As for Curtis' challenge...I am going to have to get thinking on this one.
Any more specific's or do you litterally just do a matrix effect with their hands? Sounds like a lot of back palming might be necessary here!
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How do you intend to sneak all their hands under one card?

Do you thing they might notice if you used extra hands?
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Jonathan, of course, the last hand travels while it's in their hands!

Owen, there are a few ways one could go with this, and I'm not about to squelch any early explorations. I'm thinking of three different approaches that interest me:

1. The coins on the table assemble, ala the Roth routine, only the spectator's hands cover the coins, not yours.

2. Four borrowed hands cover the coins, which assemble ala Matrix. (No creativity points for suggesting a backfire ending, although it would still be worth doing)

3. It is interesting to consider a one-cover assembly, where you keep changing the cover to make things easier to follow. Perhaps you start by borrowing the spectator's driver's license, then something translucent, then her hand.

But that's just me, you may be interested in exploring other avenues, and more power to you.

P.S. I like the idea of using Roger Klause's "Whisper" gaff for a finale, where all the coins vanish off the back of the spectator's hand, leaving one under her hand, and the other three back where they started.
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Whatup Curtis!

Yeah, Jason Dean and I put some quality work into this concept. We considered adding our ideas on this in the upcoming DVD's, however, we decided to wait. I can share some of these the next time I see you.

Using your own hands, or the hands of another is extremely magical. Using cards, napkins, and miniature magic carpets is selling any effect of this nature short of its potential...unless you simply like coming across as a "clever coin concealer". At this state in sleight-of-hand, using cards or any kind of covering device is usually used by those who can't perform this type of routine otherwise and pull it off like it should be done (there are a few exceptions). If you have the technical ability, why not present your art through you...as a beatuiful gift (using simply your hands...or better yet, under the hands of your spectator). This is more direct...less to follow, and less confusion. You have now raised the bar from "a trick with 4 coins and 4 cards" to a magical happening in which coins happen to be involved. Your spectators should not be puzzled to how you accomplished this clever feat. They should feel as though they have experienced something special with you and from you..a piece of ART. From that point every time he/she thinks of magic, he/she is reminded of that wonderful experience you brought fourth. This type of experience can hardly be accomplished through the use of napkins "to cover the coins" or an accompanying story about the magic carpets.

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I use mini bykes and jumbo cions. Cover the mini's with the cions and go. Final load box for mini cards.
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Curtis,
I am going to go away and think hard! I like the last suggestion of the routine becoming progressively clearer...Maybe an ending might be to say that it is the table which is making it confusing, place the three coins which have already travelled into their hand. Snap and the one remaining coin vanishes, to appear in their hand (i won't give a method away because any one can read this...but I would use a technique similar to that taught in AOA 2, in PDQ).
This slightly detracts from the point, making the ending into more of a coins across.

007Mystic,
It is an interesting idea to make the cards jump instead of the coins, but is this routine for a lay or magician audience. If for those who don't know matrix then why change the routine... Using Jumbo coins is not something they are used to seeing...let alone mini cards. If for a magician audience then this is a humorous play on the classic.

however I think the use of the spectator's hands is good for a magician or lay audience. People love magic to happen in their own hands (or in this case under), so they will appreciate this more than using cards. For a magician audience, then they will prefer this too as they know that it is far harder to load under a persons hand etc.

A final point...How about performing it as a two phase routine. At the start you have two people with their hands opposite each other. A coin on top of each hand. One by one the coins penetrate through their hands to land underneath them on the table. Then with the hands covering again, they all migrate to one corner!

Maybe a post should be started along these lines in the Triple Dare forum!
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Hands are the way to go, but under a specs hands? that's insane! I'd love a method like that, but for "impromptu" purposes, I've decided to go with something I carry in my wallet - business cards (and a metro ticket).

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So all that great brain-storming was boiled down to one thought...I guess spectator hands aren't impromtu enough for some people. Imagine that! Smile

Thanks guys (Townsend, Kam, Born, Owen,) for all your thoughts, time, and dedication to this topic and trying to help others. I know I have ideas running now.
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John B, and Jason the Dean do awesome coin and hand work. Jason just won the Ring 129 Close up Magician of the Year for the 3rd year in a row. John placed 2nd I believe at the BIG IBM event. Are either of them competing in St. Louis or Cleveland??

Break a wand if you are!

I am still doing matrix the old fashion way.
My kicker for this and other set nearly normal routines is producing about 16-20 coins.(without using "explosion")

I like the idea of mini "flying carpets".

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Hey Levitate, I just use cards, but you can keep it strictly money and just use dollar bills, I know some people who use them, and they work great.
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Four borrowed hands cover the coins

Curtis,

Do you return the hands when you are done Smile?

Mike
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